The Appeal of Preterism

[Michael The Disciple]

The appeal of preterism is clear. It means Christians don't have to go through the great tribulation! It's effect is the same as pre trib. It removes the teaching of Jesus that saints go through the great tribulation.

That is quite popular!

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

The appeal of preterism is clear. It means Christians don't have to go through the great tribulation! It's effect is the same as pre trib. It removes the teaching of Jesus that saints go through the great tribulation.

That is quite popular!

http://www.preteristarchive.com/Crit...p-critique.pdf

Michael, unless you are already into preterism(set in stone), you should check out this link.

I will not teach anything that has this much inconsistency. This, according to this website could be a heretical doctrine sweeping the churches in these last days. Most folks I am seeing are not looking at the negative side of it, only the positive. If you or I choose to "teach" a doctrine that is heretical, we will "oficially" become HERETICS, by Bible standards.

You owe it to yourself to research it well, before you make the final decision of what to teach...

[Luke]

Originally Posted by Sean

http://www.preteristarchive.com/Crit...p-critique.pdf

Michael, unless you are already into preterism(set in stone), you should check out this link.

I will not teach anything that has this much inconsistency. This, according to this website could be a heretical doctrine sweeping the churches in these last days. Most folks I am seeing are not looking at the negative side of it, only the positive. If you or I choose to "teach" a doctrine that is heretical, we will "oficially" become HERETICS, by Bible standards.

You owe it to yourself to research it well, before you make the final decision of what to teach...

Michael is a post trib believer not a preterist unless i have really missed something in his post.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Luke

Michael is a post trib believer not a preterist unless i have really missed something in his post.

Thanks, Luke...Sorry Michael, I might have interpreted that post as what you believe. Maybe, clarify?

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

The appeal of preterism is clear. It means Christians don't have to go through the great tribulation! It's effect is the same as pre trib. It removes the teaching of Jesus that saints go through the great tribulation.

That is quite popular!

This is wrong on so many levels, it's hilarious. If you think that's the appeal of preterism, then you do not understand the preterist view point (regardless of its flaws)

First, pre-trib has way more in common with post-trib than preterism. The only difference between both views is when the rapture occurs. Everything else is virtually the same (as far as their interpretation of Matt 24, Mark 13, Luke 17, Luke 21, Daniel 7-12, and the book of Revelation)

As for preterism, its appeal is mainly due to the fact that the interpretation is from a 1st century perspective. In other words, how the original recipients of the book of Revelations would have understood the message? (not interpreting from a 21st century perspective)

Take for instance, when the writer in Rev 1:7 Look, he is coming with the clouds,”
and “every eye will see him,
even those who pierced him..." How would the original audience have understood it?
Would they have said, "sure those that pierced him will be alive for 2000 years, so this ain't gonna happen for a very long time..." or would they have thought "this event would happen soon, since those that pierced him would still be alive at his coming to see him."

How about when it says "Behold, I am coming soon..." How would the original recipients have understood it? If "soon" means for not for another 2000 years, then language has lost its meaning...lol

Both views have inconsistencies. Both views have to face the cognitive dissonance associated with their view, of course, that's an entire different can of worms. At least, each camp should acknowledge its inconsistency instead of ignoring it and berating that of the other camp.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

This is wrong on so many levels, it's hilarious. If you think that's the appeal of preterism, then you do not understand the preterist view point (regardless of its flaws)

First, pre-trib has way more in common with post-trib than preterism. The only difference between both views is when the rapture occurs. Everything else is virtually the same (as far as their interpretation of Matt 24, Mark 13, Luke 17, Luke 21, Daniel 7-12, and the book of Revelation)

As for preterism, its appeal is mainly due to the fact that the interpretation is from a 1st century perspective. In other words, how the original recipients of the book of Revelations would have understood the message? (not interpreting from a 21st century perspective)

Take for instance, when the writer in Rev 1:7 Look, he is coming with the clouds,”
and “every eye will see him,
even those who pierced him..." How would the original audience have understood it?
Would they have said, "sure those that pierced him will be alive for 2000 years, so this ain't gonna happen for a very long time..." or would they have thought "this event would happen soon, since those that pierced him would still be alive at his coming to see him."

How about when it says "Behold, I am coming soon..." How would the original recipients have understood it? If "soon" means for not for another 2000 years, then language has lost its meaning...lol

Both views have inconsistencies. Both views have to face the cognitive dissonance associated with their view, of course, that's an entire different can of worms. At least, each camp should acknowledge its inconsistency instead of ignoring it and berating that of the other camp.

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by Sean

Thanks, Luke...Sorry Michael, I might have interpreted that post as what you believe. Maybe, clarify?

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

The appeal of preterism is clear. It means Christians don't have to go through the great tribulation! It's effect is the same as pre trib. It removes the teaching of Jesus that saints go through the great tribulation.

That is quite popular!

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

The appeal of preterism is clear. It means Christians don't have to go through the great tribulation! It's effect is the same as pre trib. It removes the teaching of Jesus that saints go through the great tribulation.

That is quite popular!

That is a circular manner of reasoning, which is illogical, though. First, the bible has to say there is a future tribulation and that we will go through it before one can say that resistance of such a thought is error. The bible does not plainly spell that out, which is why there are varying views on the issue! Also, more importantly, your reasoning demands that the bible says that doctrines that avoid a great tribulation in their future is a sign of false doctrine, which it does not say. You have, as a result, a position made from deriving conclusions and basing tenets of faith on those derivations that are not laid out in the bible itself.

IMHO, Futurism disregards the correlation between all the gospel accounts of the Olivet Discourse as well as the timeframe elements in Revelation that demand it be first century in fulfillment, as well as what Jesus said about Jerusalem in the end of Matt 23 compared with Rev 18:24.

The eschatology of the Bible is far more dependent and focuses on the timeframe of the immediate years following the cross, as it should when one stops to think about it. The worst crime in the world was Christ's own people disowning and killing him in exchange for calling Caesar their king in a spiritual adulterous relationship for which Jerusalem has been known to be a harlot especially noted in Ezekiel 16 time and time again!. No city was ever called a harlot in the bible like Jerusalem was. And if we want to compare bible with bible to understand the harlot and when the trib. occurred, Jerusalem in the first century fits the bible more solidly than any other view.

It makes Revelation a changeover account of the covenants, showing the mopping up God had to do in judging Israel as well as the Kingdom inception that started since the CROSS and not in our future to begin in a so-called "millennial rule."

[Revelationist]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

The appeal of preterism is clear. It means Christians don't have to go through the great tribulation! It's effect is the same as pre trib. It removes the teaching of Jesus that saints go through the great tribulation.

That is quite popular!

Living for God out of love and not fear...

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Revelationist

Living for God out of love and not fear...

Exactly. it's as though our brother is trying to tell us that unless a doctrien forces people to serve God out of fear then it must be a false doctrine.