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09-28-2014, 06:59 PM
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Re: Apostolic but not Oneness?
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Originally Posted by Jito463
Thanks for that link, Praxeas.  I'm always up for finding more sources to read. I'll check it out later when I have some more time. As an aside, I forgot another good book (albeit a short one, and not without some flaws). 'Is Jesus in the Godhead or is the Godhead in Jesus' by Gordon Magee. I think there's even a free PDF version of it available online, but I could be mistaken. I'll have to look for it again. |
Personally, I would not recommend that. It's more Apologetic than Academic.
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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09-28-2014, 02:40 PM
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Re: Apostolic but not Oneness?
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Originally Posted by Patrick Harris
I'm a minister, Pentecostal, fully believing everything we need to know about what the church needs to return to can be found in The Acts of the Apostles.
My wife and I have been attending an UPCI church for the past year because I truly believe that is where God has placed us. We both love and support our church and our Pastor 100%.
The difference is that we are not Oneness, I've read Dr. Bernard books and I can no longer say with certainty that I follow the path of being Trinitarian, but have not crossed that bridge to Oneness.
However, today I just listened to Dr. Bernard's message titled "Restoring the Apostolic Church" and there was not one thing in that message I didn't fully support or agree with.
The question is this: Can you be considered Apostolic, in your faith, without being Oneness?
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Exactly what is keeping you from being Oneness? I was in the same boat as you back in 1980.
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09-28-2014, 03:15 PM
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Re: Apostolic but not Oneness?
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Exactly what is keeping you from being Oneness? I was in the same boat as you back in 1980.
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Honestly, not much.
I don't make decisions quickly and without a lot of prayer and study.
I've never considered the trinity a "hill to die on" so I'm a little more open to changing my mind on the subject.
The pastor and I have actually had several conversations on it.
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09-28-2014, 05:15 PM
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Re: Apostolic but not Oneness?
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Originally Posted by Patrick Harris
Honestly, not much.
I don't make decisions quickly and without a lot of prayer and study.
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Smart man. God would not want you to be any other way. ALWAYS keep that attitude on EVERY doctrine. That's why many of us on here are outcasts. We do not rebel, but we reserve the right to prayerfully come to our own conclusions about things. That is just too much for some pastors to tolerate.
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09-29-2014, 12:49 PM
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Re: Apostolic but not Oneness?
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Smart man. God would not want you to be any other way. ALWAYS keep that attitude on EVERY doctrine. That's why many of us on here are outcasts. We do not rebel, but we reserve the right to prayerfully come to our own conclusions about things. That is just too much for some pastors to tolerate.
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Great Post!
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09-28-2014, 05:17 PM
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Re: Apostolic but not Oneness?
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Originally Posted by Patrick Harris
Honestly, not much.
I don't make decisions quickly and without a lot of prayer and study.
I've never considered the trinity a "hill to die on" so I'm a little more open to changing my mind on the subject.
The pastor and I have actually had several conversations on it.
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What questions do you have?
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09-28-2014, 08:51 PM
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Re: Apostolic but not Oneness?
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Originally Posted by Pliny
What questions do you have?
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Actually none. Through my pastor and some great reference books I've been given, I have had most of the concerns answered.
It's a matter of some prayer and decision making.
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09-28-2014, 06:59 PM
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Go Dodgers!
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Re: Apostolic but not Oneness?
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Originally Posted by Patrick Harris
Honestly, not much.
I don't make decisions quickly and without a lot of prayer and study.
I've never considered the trinity a "hill to die on" so I'm a little more open to changing my mind on the subject.
The pastor and I have actually had several conversations on it.
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Did you get my link?
__________________
Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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09-28-2014, 08:45 PM
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Re: Apostolic but not Oneness?
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Did you get my link?
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I did thanks.
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09-28-2014, 05:11 PM
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Re: Apostolic but not Oneness?
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Originally Posted by Patrick Harris
I'm a minister, Pentecostal, fully believing everything we need to know about what the church needs to return to can be found in The Acts of the Apostles.
My wife and I have been attending an UPCI church for the past year because I truly believe that is where God has placed us. We both love and support our church and our Pastor 100%.
The difference is that we are not Oneness, I've read Dr. Bernard books and I can no longer say with certainty that I follow the path of being Trinitarian, but have not crossed that bridge to Oneness.
However, today I just listened to Dr. Bernard's message titled "Restoring the Apostolic Church" and there was not one thing in that message I didn't fully support or agree with.
The question is this: Can you be considered Apostolic, in your faith, without being Oneness?
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Who are any of us to say? You do not believe in three Gods (and probably never did as most Trinitarians do not). Though I've never heard you explain your idea of the Godhead, I would not doubt that it would pass the "Oneness litmus test" of some on here. It seems you are trying to be a "Strict Constructionist" (hint hint) at least.
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