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10-09-2014, 04:25 PM
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Re: Apostolics with Different Standards
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Originally Posted by aaronliford07
I am in the UPC and my church does have a board.
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I have noticed that most church boards are little more than rubber stamps for the pastor.
We need to make sure the Church boards have some real power.
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10-09-2014, 05:21 PM
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Re: Apostolics with Different Standards
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I believe that we should all be unified and under one doctrine of standards. However, that is never going to happen. That's just reality.
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Just so I'm clear, you are saying that 1 Corinth 1:10 is never going to happen?
I'm sad you feel that way. Very discouraging.
Why do you feel that way? Please elaborate.
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Philippians 2:12 - ...Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling
Ephesians 4:5 - One Lord, One Faith, One Baptism
1 Corinthians 1:10 - Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
Ephesians 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith ...
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10-09-2014, 07:39 PM
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Re: Apostolics with Different Standards
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I am in the UPC and my church does have a board.
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I should have known.
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Philippians 2:12 - ...Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling
Ephesians 4:5 - One Lord, One Faith, One Baptism
1 Corinthians 1:10 - Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
Ephesians 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith ...
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10-09-2014, 07:42 PM
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Re: Apostolics with Different Standards
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Originally Posted by Aquila
I've befriended some Christian Quakers who strongly believe that individuals should be allowed and encouraged to individually follow the leading of the Spirit in many of these areas as it might relate to them individually. That's called... a personal relationship with God.
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Good man. 
Spirit and Truth is what will unify his people.
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Philippians 2:12 - ...Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling
Ephesians 4:5 - One Lord, One Faith, One Baptism
1 Corinthians 1:10 - Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
Ephesians 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith ...
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10-09-2014, 08:08 PM
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Re: Apostolics with Different Standards
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Originally Posted by KWSS1976
To tell you the truth that is one reason we left our Apostolic church was my wife was noticing so of the women in the church, cutting there hair,wearing dresses to short, ETC,ETC,ETC I have no problem with it myself I am a come to church how you are type, but it is hard to watch it happen when it is also being preached against.
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How is that hard to watch? All a standard does it give people something to judge others by. Are we to judge? Also you are covering up wolves in sheep's clothing. You can put on the longest skirt there is and still be a devil inwardly. A long skirt force on you will not prick your heart to towards modesty.
I will never forget sitting in at home one day looking at my secular rap music tapes and the Lord showed me how can you listen to this type of music and say you love me? Since then I have never brought or willful listened to secular rap music. God did it in literally 5 minutes. The bible tells us to examine ourselves, not the church or preacher to examine you. The preacher job is to preach, it is my job to examine myself and work out my salvation.
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Philippians 2:12 - ...Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling
Ephesians 4:5 - One Lord, One Faith, One Baptism
1 Corinthians 1:10 - Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
Ephesians 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith ...
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10-10-2014, 08:56 AM
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Re: Apostolics with Different Standards
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Originally Posted by Esphes45
How is that hard to watch? All a standard does it give people something to judge others by. Are we to judge? Also you are covering up wolves in sheep's clothing. You can put on the longest skirt there is and still be a devil inwardly. A long skirt force on you will not prick your heart to towards modesty.
I will never forget sitting in at home one day looking at my secular rap music tapes and the Lord showed me how can you listen to this type of music and say you love me? Since then I have never brought or willful listened to secular rap music. God did it in literally 5 minutes. The bible tells us to examine ourselves, not the church or preacher to examine you. The preacher job is to preach, it is my job to examine myself and work out my salvation.
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Yes.
Within the Body of Christ, we do need to be able to correct those among us who are in error and, if necessary, shun them when they do not correct themselves once they are clearly shown the error of their ways.
On the contrary, we should not be attempting to judge the world.
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10-10-2014, 02:18 PM
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Re: Apostolics with Different Standards
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Originally Posted by Esphes45
Just so I'm clear, you are saying that 1 Corinth 1:10 is never going to happen?
I'm sad you feel that way. Very discouraging.
Why do you feel that way? Please elaborate.
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It's mainly because of the egos that men have. I have seen it multiple times. My pastor has tried unify all the apostolic churches in Tampa but others refused because it would make them look different to others. Also, in order to unification there will be the need to have submission. Its the hardest thing for another man to submit themselves to another man. Everyone either wants to be independent or democratic.
I wish that we could be unified. We would be so much more effective as a church.
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Aaron Liford
Apostolic Blogger, Podcaster and Speaker. I help apostolics grow in faith, prayer and stewardship so they effectively serve God, family and community.
http://aaronliford.com
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10-10-2014, 02:18 PM
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Re: Apostolics with Different Standards
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Originally Posted by FlamingZword
I have noticed that most church boards are little more than rubber stamps for the pastor.
We need to make sure the Church boards have some real power.
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So you believe without a church board a man of God is just manipulating other people? Why? Have you had bad experiences or something?
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Aaron Liford
Apostolic Blogger, Podcaster and Speaker. I help apostolics grow in faith, prayer and stewardship so they effectively serve God, family and community.
http://aaronliford.com
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10-10-2014, 02:43 PM
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Re: Apostolics with Different Standards
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Originally Posted by aaronliford07
It's mainly because of the egos that men have. I have seen it multiple times. My pastor has tried unify all the apostolic churches in Tampa but others refused because it would make them look different to others. Also, in order to unification there will be the need to have submission. Its the hardest thing for another man to submit themselves to another man. Everyone either wants to be independent or democratic.
I wish that we could be unified. We would be so much more effective as a church.
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Ok. I am suppose to submit to my pastor but it is totally fine if pastors can't submit to one another? Is that of God?
Pastors can have egos but us regular church folks can't? Is that of God?
These are suppose to be the people we look up to! (which is another topic for discussion) They are not of God.
See one of the reasons I left my church because I knew my church was not trying to hear unification unless they were at the top of the pyramid. That my friend is not Godly at all.
God bless your Pastor for trying.
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Philippians 2:12 - ...Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling
Ephesians 4:5 - One Lord, One Faith, One Baptism
1 Corinthians 1:10 - Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
Ephesians 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith ...
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10-10-2014, 02:47 PM
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Re: Apostolics with Different Standards
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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson
Yes.
Within the Body of Christ, we do need to be able to correct those among us who are in error and, if necessary, shun them when they do not correct themselves once they are clearly shown the error of their ways.
On the contrary, we should not be attempting to judge the world.
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So if my version of modesty does not match yours then I guess you should shun me or at least correct me?
Think about your answer before you reply.
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Philippians 2:12 - ...Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling
Ephesians 4:5 - One Lord, One Faith, One Baptism
1 Corinthians 1:10 - Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
Ephesians 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith ...
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