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10-17-2014, 02:38 PM
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Re: Hillsong shifts on Homosexuality
Hillsong is a corporation which has recently expanded its brand into two major US metro's --- L.A. and N.Y. As such, they will do what's best for the Hillsong brand, not the Gospel.
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10-18-2014, 09:45 PM
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Re: Hillsong shifts on Homosexuality
"I refuse to let another human being or a media moment dictate how we approach it (homosexuality)."
This is an example of his wisdom and pastoral compassion.
"Prosperity for us is simply knowing Jesus and having a right to repent from a sinful life and cling to that cross every day."
This shows he hasn't forgotten what's paramount.
I think we need to give this brother a chance before declaring him and his organization to be not faithful to the Cause and Gospel of Jesus Christ.
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10-18-2014, 10:05 PM
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Re: Hillsong shifts on Homosexuality
Can a sinner attend your church Sunday in and Sunday out and still feel loved for however long it takes for GOD to get a hold of their life and do the work that only HE can do on the inside of that sinner?
Do you skin a fish before or after you catch the fish?
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10-18-2014, 10:18 PM
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Re: Hillsong shifts on Homosexuality
Let's say you are the Pastor and a transgendered married person and their spouse dares to darken the door of your sanctuary.
How would you reach that person and their family with the Gospel of Christ?
Would they even feel welcome to visit your church?
Would they feel welcome to regularly attend your church?
What would you REQUIRE of them before baptizing them?
What would you REQUIRE of them after they have spoken in tongues?
For this situation, the woman is a woman and the man is a transgendered person who was born a woman but is now living her life as a him. They have one adopted child.
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10-18-2014, 10:21 PM
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Re: Hillsong shifts on Homosexuality
You are the Pastor of a church in Yazoo City, Mississippi for 15 years. The Lord calls you to New York City to pastor.
Would your style and (if I may use the word) tactics change to better suit your new battleground?
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10-17-2014, 04:16 PM
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Re: Hillsong shifts on Homosexuality
Altho at this point no one should say "Hillsong is for gay". The article does not say that. It could HOPEFULLY just be what he said. They are taking time to know how to present the Christian message to the sodomite movement.
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10-17-2014, 07:19 PM
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Carl Lentz, pastor of Hillsong's New York City location, made..similar statements..on CNN in June, saying Hillsong in New York City has "a lot of gay men and women" and he hopes it stays that way. But he declines to address the matter in public because, in part, Jesus never did.
"Jesus was in the thick of an era where homosexuality, just like it is today, was widely prevalent," Lentz told CNN. "And I'm still waiting for someone to show me the quote where Jesus addressed it on the record in front of people... You won't find it because he never did."
Lentz's wife, Laura,..chimed in: "It's not our place to tell anyone how they should..live...That's their journey."
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No, I wouldn't say Hillsong is turning homosexual. IMO it's worse... they're refusing to take any kind of stand. And, as was mentioned, if they continue this way it could cause other churches to do the same.
Carl is trying to be cool and mysterious about it, but when you line his words up with the Bible, it doesn't line up.
Really disappointed in what I've read and seen in the interview, but again, not surprised. It's all about the brand now.
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10-17-2014, 07:33 PM
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Re: Hillsong shifts on Homosexuality
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Originally Posted by n david
No, I wouldn't say Hillsong is turning homosexual. IMO it's worse... they're refusing to take any kind of stand. And, as was mentioned, if they continue this way it could cause other churches to do the same.
Carl is trying to be cool and mysterious about it, but when you line his words up with the Bible, it doesn't line up.
Really disappointed in what I've read and seen in the interview, but again, not surprised. It's all about the brand now.
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Sounds bad.
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10-17-2014, 07:44 PM
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Re: Hillsong shifts on Homosexuality
I just watched the video. Horrible.
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10-17-2014, 08:21 PM
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Re: Hillsong shifts on Homosexuality
By definition what is love. Love to many is an emotion of affection that often goes away. If I judged my love for my family by having affectionate feelings I would be a sorry husband and father. Most of the time in life I am stressed with the day to day things, although I have plenty of those affectionate moments, that is not love. Love is a heart-written contract that I am going to do what's best for the other person.
We do come as we are, but we don't leave the same. This video looked to me that people were building Jesus around their lives. Instead of building their life around Jesus. People want to be fornicators, drunkards, murderers and they want to be accepted the way they are.
To love this world we live in we should declare the truth to it. We should pray and ask God for a burden that would cause us to reach out into another person's life. I will love through truth. I believe the boom of homosexuality is a mark of the end. When God withdraws Himself homosexuality is often a result. While God is still drawing I want to declare the truth the world. Jesus is the truth and He is the word. If people really want relationship with Jesus they are going to know him through his word. (bible study and obedience)
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