Circumcision of the heart

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Spirit baptism is indeed a cleansing and purging as well as something new being created.

I don't see where Spirit baptism is a cleansing. The Spirit cleanses but not by Spirit baptism. It does that work in baptism when we have faith. That's why Paul said he was told to be baptized washing away his sin. The water does not cleanse, but God does. But that is not Spirit baptism.

[shazeep]

hmm. the O's def resonated more with me...

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

hmm. the O's def resonated more with me...

As we all know, "Nevertheless, what saith the scriptures?"

[shazeep]

ah, i was just going by the recollection of Spirit baptism; i felt cleansed. I totally blew it after that, tho...

[mfblume]

Repentance and baptism does the removal and cleansing. Spirit infilling does the new creating. God did not have the cleanse Adam before he was created.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

ah, i was just going by the recollection of Spirit baptism; i felt cleansed. I totally blew it after that, tho...

It feels clean because His Spirit is HOLY. I've cast devils out of people and they remarked how overwhelmingly CLEAN they felt, though. And they never had Spirit baptism.
Nothing in the Word associates Spirit baptism with cleansing, as far as I can see, anyway. Maybe someone can correct that.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I don't see where Spirit baptism is a cleansing. The Spirit cleanses but not by Spirit baptism. It does that work in baptism when we have faith. That's why Paul said he was told to be baptized washing away his sin. The water does not cleanse, but God does. But that is not Spirit baptism.

And some of you used to be like this. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.(I Cor 6:11)

Furthermore, we are baptized with the Holy Ghost and with fire. God's presence is a consuming fire that burns the dross of sin from the heart of a sinner creating within him a clean heart. It deals directly with the Adamic nature. You are the first Apostolic I've ever heard to say that the Spirit cleanses a sinner's hear at baptism. Interesting. Most say that "the blood is applied" at baptism.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Furthermore, we are baptized with the Holy Ghost and with fire. God's presence is a consuming fire that burns the dross of sin from the heart of a sinner creating within him a clean heart. It deals directly with the Adamic nature. You are the first Apostolic I've ever heard to say that the Spirit works in a sinners hear at baptism. Interesting.

So you believe water baptism does not remit sins if a person is not Spirit baptized yet?

I believe the FIRE of the Holy Ghost and fire is not cleansing sin, but judgment against sinners. John the baptist contextually mean sinners would be burned up in judgment, not that believers are purged of sins when he said that. The idea that fire in the Holy Ghost is for believers to purge sins is out of context, actually.

[mfblume]

Mat 3:10-12 KJV And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. (11) I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire: (12) Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

It is emotional and out of context to say the fire is the inspiration and excitement of the Spirit in this context. John was strictly talking about destruction of sinners in his reference to the fire.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Esaias

When does the heart of a sinner get circumcised?

Please give a scriptural presentation supporting your answer.

water baptism is the circumcision made without hands in Colossians 2:11-12