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Old 02-09-2015, 08:32 AM
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No bible verse about "where you go to church" exists. Church isn't a location, it's a people.
I agreed with your first post, but this needed the extra clarification. Sean had just advised visiting around commitment free and then this posts shows location doesn't matter. If you call me institutionalized well maybe so. If we have a church service scheduled then I go (pretty good institution). I first received the Holy Ghost at a church service, and have grown since by church services. You are right that the church will never fulfill that personal level of relationship, but it is a very important part to our walk with God. You may have not been disagreeing with this. My apologies, but I was reading more into what you said.

Buildings doesn't matter, but location does. If my church family gathers then wherever the location is I will be. If the church started Monday morning services then i would try to be there. Nothing ritualistic at all just connected. Sunday service doesn't save, but being part of the Body is evidence of the salvation work that is taken place in our lives.
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Old 02-09-2015, 09:34 AM
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You need to have a talk with your husband, and let him know he is the spiritual head of the family under Christ and he needs to get busy leading. He is RESPONSIBLE for seeing to it you and your children are led by the Word. Thus he must lead by precept AND EXAMPLE in Bible reading/study, prayer, and worship.

Start having family worship like Christians have historically and biblically done. Then you won't view church as something that exists to "meet your needs" but rather as something you can truly contribute to by meeting others' needs.

Your children need to see that you as a family will follow God's Word regardless of where the chips fall. That is far more important than teaching them that truth takes a back seat to personal desires for social interactions.
Excuse me????? There is a way to prayerfully approach this situation regarding the spiritual leadership. But to tell someone you don't know, "you need to have a talk and tell....." You don't know his personality, you don't know what type of leadership he has been offering (or not offering). It sounds like he isn't a "new" believer. He's been around the block a time or two - I'm sure that he already has heard that he is the spiritual leader of the home. He doesn't need her to lay down the law or give him ultimatums regarding what he "needs" to do. Obviously he is battling in his own walk with God. We have no idea (and she may not either) exactly what spiritual battles are going on his mind that have made him say and do what he did yesterday. He certainly doesn't need his wife, his helpmeet to make him feel guilty about this.

As the wife of someone who isn't particularly outgoing - someone who doesn't make friends easily, I can somewhat identify with where she is coming from. Also, it appears that there are several dynamics at work in this situation.

1) She indicates that there has been a loss of income. As a man, he may be feeling inadequate in this. Has she made him feel less of a man because he doesn't provide in the same lifestyle that he once did? It can happen unintentionally and very subtlety without even realizing that she is harming him emotionally.

2) She indicated that they went out to eat with the other couple and were available whenever they were asked. The question is, how often did they initiate the fellowship? Did they always wait to be asked? Also, if the other couples are aware of the loss of income, it may be that they have refrained from encouraging this family to "go out to eat" for fear of embarrassing them or causing them financial hardship.

There are other things that come to mind, but this is my unsolicited advice. To the OP: Okay, you stayed home yesterday because you were somewhat in shock at his attitude and his comments. From this point on, if I were you:

I would continue attending the same church (yes, even without him, you'd be surprised at the times he may get up and get ready when he sees you and the children are going). At this point in time, your children need stability. If people ask where your husband is, just tell them, "he's going through some things right now." They don't need all the gory details or a woe is me story about how no one is his friend. People who are out-going and make friends easily don't understand how hard it can be for an introvert and they often will have a "he just needs to grow up" attitude. If you have a couple of close friends that you can TRUST, friends that you trust their loyalty as well as their spiritual walk, ask them for prayer for your family. Again, you don't need to give all the details, unless YOU are impressed by God to do so.

Pick out 2 or 3 couples that it appeared he had common interests and/or the beginning of some type of bond before he began to feel isolated. Pray abut it - asking the Lord who would be the best influence for your family. YOU take the initiative, invite them over. Have a BBQ - everyone bring their own meat, you supply the side dishes. Have a game night at your home, everyone to bring a favorite finger food. Don't wait on other people to take the initiative. Scripture teaches "a man that hath friends must show himself friendly." I was taught that meant being hospitable.

Now - yes, at some point, you will want to sit down with your husband and discuss his role in the spiritual leadership of your home. He is the priest of your home, but he won't take that role by you nagging or hounding him to do so. Spend time in prayer and fasting for your husband before you talk with him. Ask the Lord to go before you and prepare his heart for what you have to say. Ask the Lord to give you the words that you should speak. Bless your husband, pray for him every day, trusting and believing that God will work a miracle in his mind and heart. Ask the Lord to give YOU guidance, direction and to change you into the wife and mother that He wants you to be.

Personally, I don't think that changing churches is the answer. There will be a honeymoon period and then right back to where you are now. You have formed a bond with the saints and pastor of the church you are now attending and as I stated earlier, your children need stability. Moving from one church to another doesn't offer that stability. Will there come a day when (as a family) you need to change church - very possible. However, changing in the midst of a trial or spiritual battle isn't the answer. You cannot run from what is bothering your husband, it will only follow you.
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Old 02-09-2015, 10:25 AM
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Thank you all for replying. All of this was really good advice. I'll probably talk to my husband about this when he gets home . Like I said, I don't want to leave so I think I'll just keep trucking along and hope he comes. If not I have to go for myself and our children.
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Old 02-09-2015, 10:55 AM
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You need to have a talk with your husband, and let him know he is the spiritual head of the family under Christ and he needs to get busy leading. He is RESPONSIBLE for seeing to it you and your children are led by the Word. Thus he must lead by precept AND EXAMPLE in Bible reading/study, prayer, and worship.

Start having family worship like Christians have historically and biblically done. Then you won't view church as something that exists to "meet your needs" but rather as something you can truly contribute to by meeting others' needs.

Your children need to see that you as a family will follow God's Word regardless of where the chips fall. That is far more important than teaching them that truth takes a back seat to personal desires for social interactions.
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Old 02-09-2015, 11:51 AM
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Thank you all for your replies. Yes I think you're right about floaters.. I don't want to be that way. It's not good for our kids or us. Hopefully he is just hurt and will get over it soon. He told me it's not really just anyone in our church in particular its that "church people" have done him that way everywhere we have gone so he's just fed up with it. Im trying to be encouraging but I really don't know what to say to him.. Even though I agree with him i wouldn't tell him this bc that will surely make him leave. i see where he's coming from though ..sadly
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Re: Husband leaving the church. Very sad n stresse

You might ask your husband exactly what it is that he's looking for in a church. It appears that he has been following your lead for a while. His response may or may not surprise you.

Either way, the fact that you will ask the question tells him that you value his opinion. It appears that the church members may think of him merely as your husband, as they called YOU to say that they missed your family. I would guess that the calls made to you instead of him proved your husband's point.

Good luck! It takes more than one church to evangelize a city. It takes more than one city to evangelize a nation. It takes more than one nation to evangelize the world.
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Im trying to be encouraging but I really don't know what to say to him.. Even though I agree with him i wouldn't tell him this bc that will surely make him leave. i see where he's coming from though ..sadly
I think you are doing more harm than good by not being honest to your husband about your feelings. Remember you are one.
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I agreed with your first post, but this needed the extra clarification. Sean had just advised visiting around commitment free and then this posts shows location doesn't matter. If you call me institutionalized well maybe so. If we have a church service scheduled then I go (pretty good institution). I first received the Holy Ghost at a church service, and have grown since by church services. You are right that the church will never fulfill that personal level of relationship, but it is a very important part to our walk with God. You may have not been disagreeing with this. My apologies, but I was reading more into what you said.

Buildings doesn't matter, but location does. If my church family gathers then wherever the location is I will be. If the church started Monday morning services then i would try to be there. Nothing ritualistic at all just connected. Sunday service doesn't save, but being part of the Body is evidence of the salvation work that is taken place in our lives.
Agreed. My point was not to cease fellowship, but to approach it from a different direction or "purpose".
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Excuse me????? There is a way to prayerfully approach this situation regarding the spiritual leadership. But to tell someone you don't know, "you need to have a talk and tell....." You don't know his personality, you don't know what type of leadership he has been offering (or not offering). It sounds like he isn't a "new" believer. He's been around the block a time or two - I'm sure that he already has heard that he is the spiritual leader of the home. He doesn't need her to lay down the law or give him ultimatums regarding what he "needs" to do. Obviously he is battling in his own walk with God. We have no idea (and she may not either) exactly what spiritual battles are going on his mind that have made him say and do what he did yesterday. He certainly doesn't need his wife, his helpmeet to make him feel guilty about this.
You are excused! Although I have no idea why a woman would be opposed to a woman telling her husband he is the spiritual head of their house and that she wants him to lead them in family bible reading, prayer, and worship...
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I think you are doing more harm than good by not being honest to your husband about your feelings. Remember you are one.
I don't think that she is being wrong in this. If you have a negative thought I guess you tell your spouse all about it. That sounds like a recipe for disaster. She should be honest and encourage her husband, but surely she can use discretion and not feed his fire. Prayer, faithfulness, and patience is key in all this.
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