ALJC vs UPCI

[amh]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

The major difference originally was governmental the UPC was more episcopal with church affiliation and the ALJC was more of a ministerial fellowship. Then later the major difference was the restriction of television ownership of a minister. Now that has been changed so in truth there isn't any difference.

Again, since there isn't a difference anymore I don't see why we don't just merge.

Can't you be licensed with both the ALJC and the UPCI?

[Servant's <3]

Last I recall you aren't allowed to be licensed with the UPCI and any other religious organization. I could be wrong though.

[n david]

Originally Posted by amh

Again, since there isn't a difference anymore I don't see why we don't just merge.

Can't you be licensed with both the ALJC and the UPCI?

It sounds simple, doesn't it? I wish Oneness Pentecost organizations who believe Acts 2:38 would work together. Unfortunately egos, prejudices and pride won't allow that to happen.

Servants <3 is correct, IIRC, the UPC doesn't allow its licensed ministers to hold license with another organization.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by n david

It sounds simple, doesn't it? I wish Oneness Pentecost organizations who believe Acts 2:38 would work together. Unfortunately egos, prejudices and pride won't allow that to happen.

Servants <3 is correct, IIRC, the UPC doesn't allow its licensed ministers to hold license with another organization.

But isn't that normal?

There is something to be said of loyalty.

Organizations can unite in projects and purpose and still retain their individual identities.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

But isn't that normal?

Now-days it is.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

There is something to be said of loyalty.

Yes, but loyal to whom? If loyalty for an organization supercedes loyalty to God and spreading the Gospel, it's not good.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Organizations can unite in projects and purpose and still retain their individual identities.

They could. I believe there's a symposium in which the UPC, PAW and other Oneness Pentecostal organizations meet and discuss issues in St. Louis.

I would love to see a city-wide crusade in some metro where all Oneness Pentecostals came together for evangelistic services. Of course the issue then is the fight over which local church the visitors to the crusade would attend.

Again, egos, prejudice and pride prevent this kind of thing from ever happening.

[Servant's <3]

I did not intend that to be a criticism on the UPC. I love being in the UPC. I was merely making an observation.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Servant's <3

I did not intend that to be a criticism on the UPC. I love being in the UPC. I was merely making an observation.

I don't think anyone is criticizing one organization over the other. They are just stating the facts as they are today.

I personally see nothing wrong with having separate organizations and would love to see the organizations unite projects and purposes that bring GLORY to God.

Then comes the question-- who's church will the new converts attend?

The answer-- let the new converts choose.

[amh]

Originally Posted by Servant's <3

Last I recall you aren't allowed to be licensed with the UPCI and any other religious organization. I could be wrong though.

I actually asked that because the Associate Pastor at my church (UPCI) is licensed with the ALJC. I wondered if he could be (or would have to be) licensed with both because he's allowed to preach there.

[good samaritan]

Originally Posted by amh

I actually asked that because the Associate Pastor at my church (UPCI) is licensed with the ALJC. I wondered if he could be (or would have to be) licensed with both because he's allowed to preach there.

As far as I know, who preaches in the local churches of the UPC is decided on at the local level unless they have been dis-fellowshiped for some reason. That decision probably falls on the pastor at the local level. I meant prominant by what offers the most and best fellowship for me personally at a local level. I wouldn't want to drive 3hrs away to fellowship neigboring churches. I would be a part of the fellowship that would be best for my local area. I hope I am making sense. UPC, ALJC, non-denom. OP's, doesn't matter to me as long as they are preaching truth. You can find error anywhere if you look hard enough, but overall they are both good.

[amh]

Do you think more conservative UPC churches would have trouble letting someone from another organization preach there, regardless of how conservative that someone is?