Postmodernism's Place in the Church

[shazeep]

hey, I'm psychopolitical--tell me more!

[amh]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Another example of humanistic antichristian propaganda chipping away at the faith and controlling people's thinking. AKA brainwashing.

People always want to jump on the latest fad and seem to always forget the old story of the Pied Piper of Hamelin.

I think Mr. Riley (the author) was just being honest about the flaws he's found in our movement. Also, what's the pied piper got to do with this? That story was just about not ripping people off.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by amh

I think Mr. Riley (the author) was just being honest about the flaws he's found in our movement. Also, what's the pied piper got to do with this? That story was just about not ripping people off.

The article contains a huge number of presuppositions. Presuppositions are those beliefs people have which influence how they view things. The author views things through a particular paradigm, or "worldview", which consists of his presuppositions. That worldview is what he uses to interpret the meaning and significance of his experiences, and his understanding of others' experiences as well.

Everyone has a worldview, everyone has presuppositions. God wants us to have a Biblical worldview, he wants us to see thinks as they are. But " the world" also wants us to see things with it's worldviews instead.

Humanism is a worldview. Postmodernism is a humanistic worldview. The author admits he is a postmodern. Read the article carefully. Postmodernism is all about skepticism, doubting everything. It is not about questioning and proving things, it's about not believing anything EXCEPT universal skepticism and humanism.

It was created, intentionally, as a form of "psycho politics", which is " the achieving of political goals through the use of psychological manipulation." By introducing and promoting skepticism of everything, including and especially directed against the Bible and the biblical worldview, it is a tool for humanists to degrade people's values and convictions. The goal is to "transform society" by slowly changing how people think, not just "what" they think but HOW they think.

Postmodernism is marketed as a trendy, hip, up-to-date advanced viewpoint, a new "independent thinking" that is anything BUT independent.

The author's blog is designed to lead YOU away from a biblical worldview, to make you a casualty in the ongoing ideological war between antichrist humanism and the Truth. The Pied Piper played sweet, ear-catching music that attracted the attention of Hamelin's children, and led them all away (kidnapped). The blog is called "stuff apostolics like", in order to deceive apostolics into thinking this will be a cool apostolic blog. It's deceptive. It ought to be called " luring apostolics into doubt and dismay and pessimism" because that is what it is actually all about.

The main ideas in any of it's articles are irrelevant. That's just bait to get you to bite. The REAL stuff is the subtle background ideas and choice of words, the cheesy attempts at "innocent humor", the overall controlling worldview which is almost subliminal in the posts AND THE COMMENTS.

" Prove all things", that means analyze, test, everything. "Hold fast that which is good." That means keep what is BIBLICAL and reject the rest.

[amh]

Originally Posted by Esaias

" Prove all things", that means analyze, test, everything. "Hold fast that which is good." That means keep what is BIBLICAL and reject the rest.

I think part of the point of the article is that what's biblical isn't always what's clear. How can I reject something without first "trying the spirits"? Joel's point was that Apostolics are too quick to argue without first examining other ideas.

[Servant's <3]

If you look for subtle background ideas in everything you can sometimes find it even when there is no subtle background intended.... not necessarily saying there is or isn't in this case but to say there is would imply there is in everything this author posts....

You paint a very broad stroke Esaias... and in this case I don't see it.

Also, last time I checked main ideas are not irrelevant... ever.... should we also look at the choice of words? sure.... but we can't ignore the main ideas.

[amh]

I get the whole nothing-is-quite-as-it-seems idea but you've got to realize that good people with good intentions aren't trying to lead you astray by questioning things they aren't sure about.

[shazeep]

ok, E, did you read this?

"Postmodernism allows for selfishness and ego to thrive. It allows for us to be the center of the world, and we don't have to look past anything past ourselves except for when we want to be cynical about any time a group of people come together to do something great. Then we can criticize their foolishness (i speak as a confessed postmodern)"

so, he seems to be agreeing with you...

ok, and if you are having the same contrast problems, tilting your screen seems to help; or just highlight as if you were going to copy!

[Servant's <3]

I don't think I had an opinion on post-modernism only the article and its info itself.

[amh]

Originally Posted by Servant's <3

I don't think I had an opinion on post-modernism only the article and its info itself.

Well, what DO you think of postmodernism?

[shazeep]

i count myself a postmodernist; and detest it equally, with the article's author. it isn't something one chooses, but rather what is thrust upon one, in response to an inadequate, usurped dogma, at least where belief is concerned. Nothing new under the sun, i guess. There are some hopeful aspects to the movement, even if there is a lot of dross to burn off, imo