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Re: Sitting under a pastor?
People just can't accept the fact that there is ONE mediator between God and man, the man CHRIST JESUS. Jesus is who we are to be submitted to. Pastor is not mentioned there at all, although to hear some tell it, you would think it was.
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05-15-2015, 06:17 PM
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Re: Sitting under a pastor?
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I think that we should submit to our pastor as long as what he is leading us in is the oracles of God. I have heard it said that it is a shame to see your pastor on lawn mower and things the such is where people are going to far. People should not feel they must work for free for their pastor, do all his running, and be puppeted by him. God never intended us to place up royal figures, in essence becoming a middle man to God for us. Jesus died to end such a priesthood.
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When people do such things, they are setting that man up for failure, really. All of us are humans, weak, and full of deceitfulness, and wicked natures that can easily be tempted by being placed on a pedestal where none of us should ever be. The only one who should be worshiped is the Lord.. and never a man.
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05-16-2015, 09:33 AM
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Re: Sitting under a pastor?
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People just can't accept the fact that there is ONE mediator between God and man, the man CHRIST JESUS. Jesus is who we are to be submitted to. Pastor is not mentioned there at all, although to hear some tell it, you would think it was.
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Of course we are all familiar with this one and it's used out of context much of the time.
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Obey your leaders and be submissive to them. For they are keeping watch over your souls as those who will have to give account; that they may do this with joy and not with lamentation. For that would be of no advantage to you.
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05-16-2015, 08:09 PM
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Re: Sitting under a pastor?
The phrase is often used in a statement like "I would never sit under a pastor who _________", or some such thing.
People that use the phrase mean that sitting under a pastor means they submit to his wisdom and discretion and align themselves in support of the pastor's ministry.
But how it actually comes across is that a person sits on a pew and shuts his mouth when the pastor indoctrinates.
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05-16-2015, 09:26 PM
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Re: Sitting under a pastor?
"And he gave some, EVANGELISTS; and some, pastors and teachers..."
Not many know how to teach the Church to evangelize, but true evangelists; for they have become
adept in preaching the gospel.
Very often, when pastors and teachers try to evangelize, they are actually edifying the Church
(only teaching basic doctrines), and NOT teaching them the "...work of the ministry...".
"...for the work of the ministry..."
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05-16-2015, 09:36 PM
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Re: Sitting under a pastor?
Quite a few years back I had a talk w my pastor in regard to scriptural alignment, and at the end it boiled down to him simply asking "do you trust me"?
Looking back, I now say I dont trust any pastor that doesn't want to be held accountable to scripture(discuss possible fallacies) by those that set "under him". I feel like most in the upc atleast want the set-unders to "help them preach" by yelling amen tell it, pay him 10% of your income, and be there when the doors are open. It's not up to those who set-under them to question him. It has been said multiple times there, "God will make sure he's alligning w scripture, it's not up to the saints!"(from the pulpit) "tap yourself on the chest and say My man of God"!
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05-16-2015, 10:13 PM
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My goodness. Could you imagine how terrible that would be when the pastor passed gas?  |
Not just that since a lot of Pentecostal preachers I have known are rather large. It could not only be painful but dangerous.
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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05-16-2015, 10:15 PM
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Re: Sitting under a pastor?
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Not just that since a lot of Pentecostal preachers I have known are rather large. It could not only be painful but dangerous.
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Size with pastors is a reproach. Sorry, but it's true. Scripture teaches not coming under power of anything... INCLUDING FOOD.
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05-16-2015, 10:22 PM
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Re: Sitting under a pastor?
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When people do such things, they are setting that man up for failure, really. All of us are humans, weak, and full of deceitfulness, and wicked natures that can easily be tempted by being placed on a pedestal where none of us should ever be. The only one who should be worshiped is the Lord.. and never a man.
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Being a member of a church and having a pastor doesn't mean you worship him or think he his infallible. In fact anybody with half a brain who has lived more than 20 years should know better. Anytime we put our faith in men over God we are in trouble.
However the fact that my pastor is a mere mortal human subject to the same sins and failures I am does not make me any less likely to sit under his ministry. Now if he was found to be in gross sin that would be another matter.
I don't "worship" my pastor, put him on a pedestal, or anything like that. My pastor is a humble man who lives humbly. He earns $55,000 a year which is what a school teacher makes in our area. He dresses casually and drives a modest car. He will not even allow a reserved parking space for himself or any of the church staff. He would be horrified at the thought of any of his church members putting him on any sort of pedestal.
When I disagree with him or want to point something out to him I never feel intimidated or fear that he will take offense at it.
Just today during band practice before our first service as the band was singing "It is Well" he turned and grinned at me and said "see, I listen!". He was reminding me that not long ago I told him that I missed how we used to sing one old classic hymn during praise and worship and it seemed we had not done so for awhile now. I pointed out that while a lot of modern worship music is very mediocre we have the luxury of being able to pick and choose the best of the best of classic hymns, the most powerful ones.
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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05-16-2015, 10:32 PM
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Re: Sitting under a pastor?
We've gone to meddling now. lol. gluttony is sin, but not being over weight. There are many people who are over weight that aren't gluttonous and there are some beanpoles who eat like starving hyena's. This varies from person to person and also probably a lot to do with the types of foods. We are so fast paced, not many people eat healthy.
My grandpa said today that he thinks cancer is from all the meats we consume nowadays. Most of his childhood, meats were a luxury for his family. Plenty of beans and taters, though. He turned 84 years old this Feb. and his blood pressure is probably better than most people half his age.
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