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Old 08-30-2015, 07:01 AM
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I don't think this is winnable but it's not her money fighting it ,I think she is wrong in thinking her actions amount to approval ,I have a contracting business I don't approve of some of my customers lifestyle some are gay and I know it ,I don't refuse to do business with them they treat me well ,I do likewise .sin is sin some of my customers are serial adulterers and many other kind of sinners I take their money and treat them equal
I understand, but the focus of her issue would be along the lines of one, she already had the job prior to the law. Two, she just can't quit the job because of obvious financial reasons. So, taking all the politically correct hoopla out of it, the woman does need her job. You on the other hand might have a problem doing a job for someone if they were involved in something that was bad enough for you decline. I don't want to make a list, but you must have something that would cause you to back off from a payday? This isn't just talking about sin, but this is talking about a person's religious beliefs which bar them from taking part in joining two men together so they can have a license to sex with each other. Imagine if a law was passed (I personally believe it never would) but, if a law was passed to allow known ex-pedophiles to run nurseries, be over Sunday school bus ministries, and lead Boy Scout troops, and you were in a position to sign them in, now that leaves you in a quandary to either do your job under the letter of the law, or refuse to do your job because of a religious conviction. Again, keep in mind when Kim Davis was first employed it was prior to the supreme court judgement.
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Old 08-30-2015, 09:22 AM
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The cases that the LGBT community is going to bring against the Christian Churches is not about winning the cases it is about bringing the cases.

Here in our state it is not legal for a corporation to represent itself in court. An individual can represent itself but not a corp.

A person can pay a few bucks and bring a civil suit against a church. But... for that church to fight it they must now pay an attorney. 10K? 20K?

The fight that many churches will face, especially those will large assets, is the many lawsuits that will be brought against them that they will ultimately win but that will begin to drain their assets.

Those big buildings will have to be hocked to pay for that.

That is the agenda of LGBT community and their attorneys.
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The cases that the LGBT community is going to bring against the Christian Churches is not about winning the cases it is about bringing the cases.

Here in our state it is not legal for a corporation to represent itself in court. An individual can represent itself but not a corp.

A person can pay a few bucks and bring a civil suit against a church. But... for that church to fight it they must now pay an attorney. 10K? 20K?

The fight that many churches will face, especially those will large assets, is the many lawsuits that will be brought against them that they will ultimately win but that will begin to drain their assets.

Those big buildings will have to be hocked to pay for that.

That is the agenda of LGBT community and their attorneys.
http://www.christianlaw.org/cla/

http://www.adflegal.org/

http://www.adflegal.org/issues/relig...hurch/overview
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Old 08-30-2015, 01:28 PM
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http://www.christianlaw.org/cla/inde...itial_Response

Please read the whole article but I just wanted to point this portion out.

4. Be ready to stand as never before.

A. Make sure that what your church believes what the Bible teaches about sexual behavior and the definition of marriage is clearly and specifically stated in your Statement of Faith (usually a part of the church bylaws).

B. Use your church facilities for church purposes ONLY. Churches can NO LONGER simply allow "the public" to use its facilities for weddings. If your church rents out its facilities to the public, it may be forced to accept same-sex couple applicants. Your church needs A WRITTEN FACILITY USE POLICY in addition to a CLEAR STATEMENT OF FAITH. This policy needs to clearly outline that the requestor agrees with your church's statement of faith. This will aid in protecting the church and its leaders. To adequately protect the church's property, I recommend that a church ONLY permit facility use, if any, by its members IN GOOD STANDING. I also suggest that no weddings be allowed that are not presided over by one of the church's pastors. In a growing number of states, when a church opens or rents its facilities to non-members IT ENGAGES IN COMMERCE and becomes subject to "PUBLIC ACCOMMODATION" laws that prohibit various types of discrimination. This means that if your church offers certain goods or services to the public (e.g. food, goods, services, and entertainment) your property may be considered a place of public accommodation subject to state, county, and municipal anti-discrimination laws.

C. Recover the sacred meaning of marriage in word and practice. Marriage is a covenant between a man and a woman before God (Mal. 2:14). As such, the ceremony is an act of worship of the Creator for the blessing of marriage (Prov. 18:22; 19:14). Weddings in the church should rightfully be referred to as worship services.

This is one of the most challenging and exciting times for Christians in the history of America. We must do the right thing, the right way. It is a privilege and an honor to stand Biblically for the cause of Jesus Christ.
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Old 08-31-2015, 08:25 PM
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who in the world is kim davis
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news blackout in your area ? ap from Kentucky refusing to issue gays marriage licenses
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Old 09-01-2015, 07:51 AM
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news blackout in your area ? ap from Kentucky refusing to issue gays marriage licenses
saw it this morning.

honestly not even a blip on my radar.
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http://www.christianlaw.org/cla/inde...itial_Response

Please read the whole article but I just wanted to point this portion out.

4. Be ready to stand as never before.

A. Make sure that what your church believes what the Bible teaches about sexual behavior and the definition of marriage is clearly and specifically stated in your Statement of Faith (usually a part of the church bylaws).

B. Use your church facilities for church purposes ONLY. Churches can NO LONGER simply allow "the public" to use its facilities for weddings. If your church rents out its facilities to the public, it may be forced to accept same-sex couple applicants. Your church needs A WRITTEN FACILITY USE POLICY in addition to a CLEAR STATEMENT OF FAITH. This policy needs to clearly outline that the requestor agrees with your church's statement of faith. This will aid in protecting the church and its leaders. To adequately protect the church's property, I recommend that a church ONLY permit facility use, if any, by its members IN GOOD STANDING. I also suggest that no weddings be allowed that are not presided over by one of the church's pastors. In a growing number of states, when a church opens or rents its facilities to non-members IT ENGAGES IN COMMERCE and becomes subject to "PUBLIC ACCOMMODATION" laws that prohibit various types of discrimination. This means that if your church offers certain goods or services to the public (e.g. food, goods, services, and entertainment) your property may be considered a place of public accommodation subject to state, county, and municipal anti-discrimination laws.

C. Recover the sacred meaning of marriage in word and practice. Marriage is a covenant between a man and a woman before God (Mal. 2:14). As such, the ceremony is an act of worship of the Creator for the blessing of marriage (Prov. 18:22; 19:14). Weddings in the church should rightfully be referred to as worship services.

This is one of the most challenging and exciting times for Christians in the history of America. We must do the right thing, the right way. It is a privilege and an honor to stand Biblically for the cause of Jesus Christ.
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She opened her office this morning, again refusing to issue a marriage license to the two men who have been harrassing her for months now. Since the SCOTUS refused to issue an injunction, she can either face heavy fines or even be arrested and put in jail for contempt.

I remember not very long ago, within the past year, a few on here mocked that Christians would face this kind of persecution due to the SSM issue. Well, it's happening, and she could end up in jail for it.

Is this still America? Land of the "free," where you were given the Constitutional provision of "free exercise" of religion? Not just the freedom to believe your faith, but the freedom to exercise your faith.
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The last church of which I was in leadership addressed this issue and updated its bylaws. The Pastor had attended a large church conference which included a lengthy session on current legal issues. There are a lot of churches which have left themselves vulnerable to lawsuits because their bylaws are not written correctly, or they haven't written any bylaws.
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