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Old 09-25-2015, 10:17 PM
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Re: Another Pastor Arrested

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I hate to sat this, but if this is true then the presbytery was not very sensitive!

But if this IS true, even if this individual was NOT in the UPCI, we are forewarned
of coming hostilities against the Ministry and the Church. Could be there was a
"hidden message" in the pope's speech...
The article is on a legitimate website not some rumor mill so I have no doubt it is true. If the guy wasn't UPC then the UPC would have set the record straight immediately and had the publication remove the reference.
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"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."

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Old 09-25-2015, 10:38 PM
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Re: Another Pastor Arrested

According to the Wayback Machine, the Alabama UPC church/ministerial list shows the church in Thomasville as being pastored by a Perry D. Pace in June of 2011. (This is not the current pastor, either.)
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Old 09-25-2015, 10:54 PM
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Re: Another Pastor Arrested

I googled 'UPCI Mack Charles Andrews' for the date range between Jan 1, 2000 and Dec of 2012 and found not a single result. Removing the quotes I found UPCI ministerial lists for several years containing the last name 'Andrews' but no Mack Charles Andrews or any Andrews associated with Thomasville Alabama.

The news reports all make it sound like the guy was the pastor of the Thomasville UPC up until he got arrested or thereabouts. Yet the information in this thread suggests these incidents took place in the 80s and 90s? He was arrested in 2013??

This really doesn't make much sense as to why there is practically no information on this guy whatsoever except in relation to this arrest.

Does anyone know when this guy was licensed by the UPC?
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Old 09-25-2015, 11:14 PM
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Well, I went back to Jan 1995 and the guy does not exist on Google until the arrest in late 2013. Wayback Machine has no record of any website with his name on it back to 2005 as far as the Alabama District church list as far as I can tell.

Weird.
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Re: Another Pastor Arrested

The original article links to a site called AL.com

Here is the article there:

http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/201...sex_abuse.html

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Andrews has not been affiliated with the church for several years, according to the district attorney. Efforts to reach the church, which has changed its name, were not successful Friday.
That probably explains why no info can be traced to him online.
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That organization seems to have no procedure to report violations of any sort. A pastor is looked at as the "Vicar of Christ."

It would be interesting to know how the org responded to the victims.
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When the article written this week says the pastor has not been affiliated "for several years" that makes perfect sense because he was arrested in 2013 and you know the org. would not allow him to keep his license after being charged. That is why I suggested in a previous post one would need to look at a 2012 UPCI Ministerial Directory to find this guy.
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"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.

"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."

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Re: Another Pastor Arrested

Yet it would not matter if he held license in 2012 as the charges do not correspond to that date. Did he hold license in the 80s and 90s, when it is alleged that he molested numerous young girls? Pertaining to not finding him on the internet prior to 2013, Thomasville is a tiny town of less than 4500 people. Unless he had a name back in the 80s and 90s, it is not all that surprising to not discover information. EVen the present church website does not contain detailed information and excludes the name of the present pastor.
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He was licensed in the 90s.
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