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Old 06-12-2007, 06:53 PM
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Speaking of justification/salvation/regeneration, recently a Oneness Pentecostal pastor drew a diagram of the tabernacle and pointed to it. He said something like, "If this tabernacle represents Christ, anyone who comes to the brazen altar is in Christ, whether he's gone to the laver or any farther yet or not."
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Old 06-12-2007, 09:02 PM
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Faith is obedience to the gospel.
I agree, but faith is a process and salvation has many aspects, faith and repentance leading to justification, union with Christ, regeneration, sanctification and glorification follow.

Even the articles of faith of the UPCI says that we are justified at faith.
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When people truly repent does God forgive them at repentance or must they wait till baptism in Jesus Name to have their sins washed away ?
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Old 06-12-2007, 10:25 PM
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Yes, the former is correct, Scott.
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Old 06-12-2007, 10:26 PM
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Why don't we get to the root of justification: Romans 5:15-16,18 "But the free gift is not like the offense. For if by the one man's offense many died, much more the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded to the many"(the same many as died).

"And the gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned. For the judgment which came from one offense resulted in condemnation, but the free gift which came from many offenses resulted in justification.

"Therefore, as though one man's offense judgment came to all men,....even so through one Man's righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life.

Justification is the bringing of man into right standing with God (reconciliation) which was the result of Jesus' paying for the sins of the whole world. Nothing man can or did do was able to accomplish this great work of the Son of God.
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Old 06-12-2007, 10:29 PM
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Why don't we get to the root of justification: Romans 5:15-16,18 "But the free gift is not like the offense. For if by the one man's offense many died, much more the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded to the many"(the same many as died).

"And the gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned. For the judgment which came from one offense resulted in condemnation, but the free gift which came from many offenses resulted in justification.

"Therefore, as though one man's offense judgment came to all men,....even so through one Man's righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life.

Justification is the bringing of man into right standing with God (reconciliation) which was the result of Jesus' paying for the sins of the whole world. Nothing man can or did do was able to accomplish this great work of the Son of God.

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Old 06-12-2007, 10:32 PM
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When people truly repent does God forgive them at repentance or must they wait till baptism in Jesus Name to have their sins washed away ?
On this forum, we're divided on that.
Some believe forgiveness happens at repentance and remission happens at water baptism.

Others believe forgiveness and remission are the same. Some of them believe that remission/forgiveness happens at repentance and others believe that forgiveness/remission happens at water baptism.

Daniel Alicia had some posts on the various opinions among Oneness Pentecostals as to when justification happened. I think Bro. Bernard and Bro Segraves disagreed on when justification happened. I may be wrong about that.
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THREE ASPECTS OF SALVATION

1. JUSTIFICATION: This is a judicial term bringing to our minds a courtroom scene. Man, guilty and condemned before God, is acquitted and declared righteous --but is justified.

2. REGENERATION AND ADOPTION: This suggests a household scene. The soul, dead in trespasses and sins, needs a new life, which new life is imparted by a Divine act of regeneration. The person then becomes a child of God and a member of His household.

3. SANCTIFICATION: This suggests a temple scene, for the word is connected primarily with the worship of God. Set right in relation to God's law and born again to a new life, the person is henceforth dedicated to the service of God. Bought with a price, he is no longer his own; he departs not from the temple (figuratively speaking) but serves God day and night (Luke 2:37). He is sanctified by God and self-given to God.

All three of these terms describe the same experience of salvation and all begin with the hearing of the Gospel. They do not necessarily speak of different experiences but rather give us different pictures of the same great experience of being saved. All three of these blessings of grace were procured by the atoning death of Christ and imparted to man by the Holy Ghost. ...

Through justification --man is declared righteous
Through regeneration --man becomes a child of God, a member of the body of Christ, a member of the Kingdom of God
Through sanctification --man becomes a saint.

All of these are necessary for full New Testament Salvation

page 116 of Dividing the Word of Truth, by Ralph V. Reynolds
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Why don't we get to the root of justification: Romans 5:15-16,18 "But the free gift is not like the offense. For if by the one man's offense many died, much more the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded to the many"(the same many as died).

"And the gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned. For the judgment which came from one offense resulted in condemnation, but the free gift which came from many offenses resulted in justification.

"Therefore, as though one man's offense judgment came to all men,....even so through one Man's righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life.

Justification is the bringing of man into right standing with God (reconciliation) which was the result of Jesus' paying for the sins of the whole world. Nothing man can or did do was able to accomplish this great work of the Son of God.
Amen but the sacramentalists would beg to differ
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