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04-03-2016, 08:30 AM
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Re: Easter Weekend - First Services New Sanctuary
By the way this thread is not meant to be a doctrinal discussion. Leaving doctrine out of things this church has still seen phenomenal growth like nothing I have ever seen in my 50+ years of being a christian.
The church was originally composed of mostly homeless people and college students. When I became a part of it about four or five years ago my wife and I were among a handful of the oldest people there. Then the demographic began to broaden with a lot of young families coming and eventually a lot of older ones.
I have no problem with traditional church (not speaking doctrine here but the building with the white steeple, pews, etc) but believe there is room for a lot of different ways to have church and minister to different groups of people.
While a traditional Pentecostal, like many of my relatives, might be very uncomfortable in our church since it is not very "churchy" it does pull in folks who are either burnt out on traditional church orhave never gone to a traditional church and have no desire to do so.
While our church is one way to do things it is certainly not "the" way. I am thankful there are traditional churches ministering to those raised as christians and those who are not yet christians but have warm fuzzies towads organized religion and either no objection to or a reverence for traditional church.
I am comfortable in either setting. For almost 25 years I attended two mega churches with pews, 100 voice choir, etc and felt right at home just as I do now in a 115 year old factory building with padded moveable chairs, a giant coffee nook and people drinking coffee at the beginning of service in the sanctuary, everybody dressed in casual clothes including the preacher, etc. All of this makes it a very comfortable place for a lot of people who would not attend a traditional church.
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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04-03-2016, 06:32 PM
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Re: Easter Weekend - First Services New Sanctuary
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Close to it! LOL. Our pastor says that to ask "must you be baptized" is the wrong question. The right questions is "why wouldn't you want to be baptized".
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Exactly, and therefore he is a two stepper, probably coming close to hitting number three. 
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04-04-2016, 07:28 AM
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Re: Easter Weekend - First Services New Sanctuary
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I forgot to mention that in addition to not owing a dime to anybody the new sanctuary, chapel, fellowship hall, offices, etc were all done by church members other than the plumbing and electric.
On a work Saturday a few days before our first service the idea was for the volunteers to assemble 650 seats from 9am - 2 pm. We had so many people show up they had the 650 seats assembled in just 2 1/2 hours!
We would like to buy the building which is priced at about $4 million dollars but the pastor doesn't want to do it until we can pay cash for it. He is determined not to ever let a payment on debt hang over his head and effect any decision making or subjects of sermons, etc.
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I commend him on the financial responsibility......He probably is a Dave Ramsey follower.
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04-04-2016, 07:44 AM
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Re: Easter Weekend - First Services New Sanctuary
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LOL!!! The funny thing is we teach the bible through chapter by chapter, verse by verse and don't skip any of the "tough" parts. So while not in the way of a traditional Pentecostal church we focus on discipleship and following Christ not on just coming on Sunday and listening to some good music and hearing a nice little positive thinking sermon.
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CC - just to clarify, I do not believe that this church has changed their stance on standards, since it was founded, correct?
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04-04-2016, 10:59 AM
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Re: Easter Weekend - First Services New Sanctuary
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CC - just to clarify, I do not believe that this church has changed their stance on standards, since it was founded, correct?
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No. They were never under the yoke of legalism.
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04-04-2016, 11:46 AM
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Re: Easter Weekend - First Services New Sanctuary
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CC - just to clarify, I do not believe that this church has changed their stance on standards, since it was founded, correct?
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That is correct.
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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04-04-2016, 11:48 AM
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Re: Easter Weekend - First Services New Sanctuary
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I commend him on the financial responsibility......He probably is a Dave Ramsey follower.
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Bingo! In fact the pastor was honored to be the guest speaker at one of Dave Ramsey's company meetings. Maybe a chapel service or something like that.
I am old school and wish he had gone in debt to buy the building because the mortage would actually be $85,000 per year cheaper than our lease payments but I respect him not wanting a $4,000,000 note hanging over his head.
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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04-04-2016, 12:13 PM
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Re: Easter Weekend - First Services New Sanctuary
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No. They were never under the yoke of legalism.
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For my yoke is easy and my burden light.
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04-04-2016, 08:02 PM
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Re: Easter Weekend - First Services New Sanctuary
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For my yoke is easy and my burden light.
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Yes, but I think berkley yoke is greasy, and his bacon is light. 
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04-06-2016, 01:58 AM
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Re: Easter Weekend - First Services New Sanctuary
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For my yoke is easy and my burden light.
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Legalism isn't easy... Nice try.
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