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Re: Heart of Worship Nasvhille 2016 (April 20-23,
I think the real question is will there be a tribute to Prince at tonights concert? If not a song perhaps some purple lighting? (if AFF had emoticons there would be a smiley face here)
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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04-22-2016, 12:54 PM
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Re: Heart of Worship Nasvhille 2016 (April 20-23,
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Originally Posted by CC1
Bundage - a term some liberal exUPCer's use to refer to those conservative Pentecostals maintaining the legalistic laundry list of extra biblical dress codes. A play on words combining "bondage" with "bun" referring to the hair buns many pentecostal women use to contain their long uncut hair.
The term is usually used in a lighthearted joking way but not taken that way. Probably the term I have seen draw the most ire from old time Pentecostals who believe it is said with hate, bitterness, etc, etc ad nauseam.
The conservative counter part most often used is probably the term "greasy grace" where conservative pentecostals infer that those without the legalistic standards and who do not believe in the 3 step salvation plan "let anything go" or "believe one can do anything and live without any rules or regulations and be saved". Of course this does not in any way actually reflect the vast majority of liberals theology but it makes conservatives feel better and I just think it is funny.
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You will be happy to know that I have never heard the term "greasy grace" at either a UPC or WPF meeting. Or while speaking with members of either group. The only place I have heard it is on here.
And while I get the term "bundage", I think it went out in the 70's. Don't see too many hair buns around, anymore!
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04-22-2016, 10:36 PM
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Re: Heart of Worship Nasvhille 2016 (April 20-23,
The Goodlettsville Pentecostal church is a beautiful contemporary facility that is just 3 years old. I obviously didn't get to tour the whole building tonight but the sanctuary and restroom facilities, foyer, etc were all very nice.
I got see see one old college acquaintance and a preachers son from my youth who it turns out lives not far from me.
I enjoyed the praise and worship music tonight and know that the participants in this weeks worship conference were blessed as well.
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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04-23-2016, 05:33 PM
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Re: Heart of Worship Nasvhille 2016 (April 20-23,
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OMG...now safe spaces are invading Apostolic music conferences!
But really, what in the world??
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04-23-2016, 05:34 PM
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Re: Heart of Worship Nasvhille 2016 (April 20-23,
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LoL
"""Heart of Worship is a SAFE PLACE to gather, to share, to connect."""
Sorry, with all the "safe space" stuff happening on various university campuses, I thought it was funny.
Nothing against the conference.
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Re: Heart of Worship Nasvhille 2016 (April 20-23,
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Originally Posted by CC1
Bundage - a term some liberal exUPCer's use to refer to those conservative Pentecostals maintaining the legalistic laundry list of extra biblical dress codes. A play on words combining "bondage" with "bun" referring to the hair buns many pentecostal women use to contain their long uncut hair.
The term is usually used in a lighthearted joking way but not taken that way. Probably the term I have seen draw the most ire from old time Pentecostals who believe it is said with hate, bitterness, etc, etc ad nauseam.
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Lighthearted when they do it, bad spirited when the conservative does it.
The United States' Christianity is burning wreckage. But alas, I must say it is well deserved. The Pendulum swings so wildly, back and forth, goth, emo, scene, young people experimenting with homosexuality, and transgenderism. Bathrooms and locker rooms become unisex. Same sex marriage is acceptable on so many levels, yet Ex-UPC is still whining about standards, and Acts 2:38. Legalists??? Because long sleeves, long dresses, uncut hair? Seriously? Yet, the youth of the United States are circling the drain at a rapid rate? Oh they have a dress code alright, it isn't some dirty hippy look, but it's a look, and it's a standard.
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The conservative counter part most often used is probably the term "greasy grace" where conservative pentecostals infer that those without the legalistic standards and who do not believe in the 3 step salvation plan "let anything go" or "believe one can do anything and live without any rules or regulations and be saved".
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No inference, the conservative just looks at the conclusion. The Ex-UPCer just believes in a unisex congregation. As time goes on you guys will all look the same. Instead of old MeMaws looking old, you will have MeMaws who no longer even look like MeMaws. But look like old women dressed like either old men or teenagers heading for Spring Break. 
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Of course this does not in any way actually reflect the vast majority of liberals theology but it makes conservatives feel better and I just think it is funny.
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No, it doesn't make a conservative feel anything other than sadness on how this country and her culture is lost as a goose in a windstorm. It's bad man, when the youth look like Anime. Yet, the liberal preachers think it's awesome just as long as a the youth's Death Metal band has Jesus in its lyrics?
Yeah, Goth, Emo, Scene, and Metal Pentecost!
We are free from legalism???
They have a standard, but this one will be incorporated into the Industrial Church Complex.
One step? Right into a pit?
Sad. 
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04-23-2016, 07:30 PM
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Re: Heart of Worship Nasvhille 2016 (April 20-23,
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Lighthearted when they do it, bad spirited when the conservative does it.
The United States' Christianity is burning wreckage. But alas, I must say it is well deserved. The Pendulum swings so wildly, back and forth, goth, emo, scene, young people experimenting with homosexuality, and transgenderism. Bathrooms and locker rooms become unisex. Same sex marriage is acceptable on so many levels, yet Ex-UPC is still whining about standards, and Acts 2:38. Legalists??? Because long sleeves, long dresses, uncut hair? Seriously? Yet, the youth of the United States are circling the drain at a rapid rate? Oh they have a dress code alright, it isn't some dirty hippy look, but it's a look, and it's a standard.
No inference, the conservative just looks at the conclusion. The Ex-UPCer just believes in a unisex congregation. As time goes on you guys will all look the same. Instead of old MeMaws looking old, you will have MeMaws who no longer even look like MeMaws. But look like old women dressed like either old men or teenagers heading for Spring Break.
No, it doesn't make a conservative feel anything other than sadness on how this country and her culture is lost as a goose in a windstorm. It's bad man, when the youth look like Anime. Yet, the liberal preachers think it's awesome just as long as a the youth's Death Metal band has Jesus in its lyrics?
Yeah, Goth, Emo, Scene, and Metal Pentecost!
We are free from legalism???
They have a standard, but this one will be incorporated into the Industrial Church Complex.
One step? Right into a pit?
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A typically overblown reaction. Apparently you think anything that is not buns, no makeup, no jewelry is accepting homosexuality, immorality, etc, etc. Nothing could be further from the truth in the case of my church anyway.
Your post reminds me of the ultra con method of arguing against makeup years ago by posting pics of Tammy Faye Bakker and Jan Crouch as if that was the only way makeup could be used.
Nice try but no prize for you. I did expect a knee jerk typical reaction and you fulfilled my expectation.
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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04-23-2016, 07:59 PM
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Re: Heart of Worship Nasvhille 2016 (April 20-23,
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Lighthearted when they do it, bad spirited when the conservative does it.
The United States' Christianity is burning wreckage. But alas, I must say it is well deserved. The Pendulum swings so wildly, back and forth, goth, emo, scene, young people experimenting with homosexuality, and transgenderism. Bathrooms and locker rooms become unisex. Same sex marriage is acceptable on so many levels, yet Ex-UPC is still whining about standards, and Acts 2:38. Legalists??? Because long sleeves, long dresses, uncut hair? Seriously? Yet, the youth of the United States are circling the drain at a rapid rate? Oh they have a dress code alright, it isn't some dirty hippy look, but it's a look, and it's a standard.
No inference, the conservative just looks at the conclusion. The Ex-UPCer just believes in a unisex congregation. As time goes on you guys will all look the same. Instead of old MeMaws looking old, you will have MeMaws who no longer even look like MeMaws. But look like old women dressed like either old men or teenagers heading for Spring Break.
No, it doesn't make a conservative feel anything other than sadness on how this country and her culture is lost as a goose in a windstorm. It's bad man, when the youth look like Anime. Yet, the liberal preachers think it's awesome just as long as a the youth's Death Metal band has Jesus in its lyrics?
Yeah, Goth, Emo, Scene, and Metal Pentecost!
We are free from legalism???
They have a standard, but this one will be incorporated into the Industrial Church Complex.
One step? Right into a pit?
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Best post I've ever read by EB! Good job!
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04-23-2016, 08:14 PM
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Re: Heart of Worship Nasvhille 2016 (April 20-23,
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Nice try but no prize for you. I did expect a knee jerk typical reaction and you fulfilled my expectation
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But of course, that is why you posted it. 
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Your post reminds me of the ultra con method of arguing against makeup years ago by posting pics of Tammy Faye Bakker and Jan Crouch as if that was the only way makeup could be used.
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Really? The youth's style of today with a deeper move into unisex can be compared with Tammy and Jan? While they both looked like guys in drag, they at least were recognizably female? Bro, you are heading into a Brave New World Order. Unless your church meets under the peach tree on shady lane you are missing the hoedown. But that's typical Churchanity, where everyone comes together to read entire books of the Bible, while the song remains the same? So, CC1, what's the name of your church's death metal band? 
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A typically overblown reaction.
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Didn't I post that when the liberal says it, it is light hearted clean fun, but when the conservative says it, it is mean spirited? Well, people do calm their cognitive dissonance when they play the victim.
So, sad. Hey, but you have God's grace on boy sitting on the front row wearing eyeliner and black fingernails. Make up? Bro, if you still think we are dealing with a Jan Crouch Tammy Faye argument then you need a quadruple venti black.
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Apparently you think anything that is not buns, no makeup, no jewelry is accepting homosexuality, immorality, etc, etc.
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No, but to flip it back on you, apparently you believe that anything that is buns, no makeup, no jewelry is Stalag 17?
Like I said when the liberal says it, it's light fun, but when the conservative fires back, it is hateful? Good luck with that.
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Nothing could be further from the truth in the case of my church anyway.
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Hey, thanks for the little qualifier. Not my church, my church is different, my church is right, my church would never do those things. Yeah sure.
Like I said recently I hope everything goes well, for everyone. But the change from traditional to whatever they are calling it now, doesn't look like it made that much of a difference at least in this country. Calvary Chapel started with the Jesus Freak movement of the 1960s, and it has morphed into a corporate Church of Starbucks. Is that what Jesus and Paul really had in mind? Seriously? CC1, your church doesn't have the numbers of Calvary Chapel. They are blowing and going, even after having its pioneer pastor committing adultery with the women in his 20,000 family church. Is that what the Apostle Paul had in mind? Really? 
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Re: Heart of Worship Nasvhille 2016 (April 20-23,
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Originally Posted by CC1
Bundage - a term some liberal exUPCer's use to refer to those conservative Pentecostals maintaining the legalistic laundry list of extra biblical dress codes. A play on words combining "bondage" with "bun" referring to the hair buns many pentecostal women use to contain their long uncut hair.
The term is usually used in a lighthearted joking way but not taken that way. Probably the term I have seen draw the most ire from old time Pentecostals who believe it is said with hate, bitterness, etc, etc ad nauseam.
The conservative counter part most often used is probably the term "greasy grace" where conservative pentecostals infer that those without the legalistic standards and who do not believe in the 3 step salvation plan "let anything go" or "believe one can do anything and live without any rules or regulations and be saved". Of course this does not in any way actually reflect the vast majority of liberals theology but it makes conservatives feel better and I just think it is funny.
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Around these parts, the term wasn't greasy grace. It was "sloppy agape".
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