ISIS And Franklin Graham

[shazeep]

So, if you cannot answer charges except with rhetoric, and insisting upon some legal definition of the Cross, while simultaneously arguing with direct quotes from Christ, and essentially being offended by Him--which i'm sure you might try to object to, but i have several quotes now--what does this say about your doctrines? How do you examine them? Or, since that seems to be verboten, how do you justify this? To yourself, i mean, since it has become pretty obvious that no rational defense is forthcoming?

i am trying to allow for the irrational here, which might be more aligned with Christ, even if it makes less sense in print. I am not interested in some "win" by sophistry here, but your definition of the Cross,

"It applies to those who think good works of the good Samaritan save without the cross. It applies to those who think doing good to others as they would have done to them saves without the cross."

is demonstrably at odds with Christ, and honestly i don't even know what you mean by "the Cross," so it seems we are back to your explanation of "read some Paul, and voila" for your best explanation of how to manifest the Cross more fully in our lives? I might at least get to ask why not "read some Christ, and voila?"

[mfblume]

It's useless to chat with someone who cannot deal with what one actually says, and puts words in one's mouths that one distinctly denied. It insults one's own intelligence to do otherwise.

The Word is not rhetoric. Rhetoric is baseless generalities and claims without substance. The words I am presenting are what the BIBLE TEACHES.

Anybody can come along and CLAIM truths of the bible go against Christ's claims. That is because one is void of the understanding of the cross beneath all of what Christ said.

When the only way a person can discuss is to malign the other's beliefs into something polar opposite to what the other actually believes, there's a serpent that needs to come out with the vomit.

[Dordrecht]

Originally Posted by mfblume

It's useless to chat with someone who cannot deal with what one actually says, and puts words in one's mouths that one distinctly denied. It insults one's own intelligence to do otherwise.

The Word is not rhetoric. Rhetoric is baseless generalities and claims without substance. The words I am presenting are what the BIBLE TEACHES.

Anybody can come along and CLAIM truths of the bible go against Christ's claims. That is because one is void of the understanding of the cross beneath all of what Christ said.

When the only way a person can discuss is to malign the other's beliefs into something polar opposite to what the other actually believes, there's a serpent that needs to come out with the vomit.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

Interesting how we see these threads about Christian ministries, and yet NOTING similar from the same people about IMAMS.

[shazeep]

ya, that would be your area, "judging others," and i am interested in self examination here, at least speaking for myself.

Originally Posted by mfblume

It's useless to chat with someone who cannot deal with what one actually says, and puts words in one's mouths that one distinctly denied. It insults one's own intelligence to do otherwise.

The Word is not rhetoric. Rhetoric is baseless generalities and claims without substance. The words I am presenting are what the BIBLE TEACHES.

Anybody can come along and CLAIM truths of the bible go against Christ's claims. That is because one is void of the understanding of the cross beneath all of what Christ said.

When the only way a person can discuss is to malign the other's beliefs into something polar opposite to what the other actually believes, there's a serpent that needs to come out with the vomit.

So i am going to be forced into being pedantic, and pointing out that you directly refute Christ every chance you get, and claim followers of Christ are "confused," all the while braying your insistence of the Cross, whatever that means. Read some Paul and voila, i guess. And gee, you just can't figure out why no one is coming to church anymore?

[shazeep]

so, lemme know when you're ready to get real, pm me or something, because i am not offended, just bored now.

[mfblume]

When you can stop lying and putting words in my mouth, we can talk.

[shazeep]

haven't i invited you to examine your words and amend any you might wish to change? because the next step is to list a page of your direct quotes, and do just what you are asking, Mr B.

[mfblume]

You lied so much it's hard to find the flurry of posts in the threads where you laid them forth. So, let's start with this: first of all stop saying I merely require lip service or altar activity to be saved, and INSTEAD I actually believe one must believe in their heart that ONLY GOD CAN SEE that the death of Jesus as them must be accepted as their only way of salvation and righteousness.

Let's start there. You agree? They'll come to me as we talk.

[Dordrecht]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Interesting how we see these threads about Christian ministries, and yet NOTING similar from the same people about IMAMS.

True.

But we know where it's coming from.
From the enemy, who's clearly to be recognized all through this forum.