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09-27-2016, 02:41 PM
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Re: Pastors and Business
Being a Pastor is high calling and not everyone can or should be a Pastor.
If the Pastor can't lay down his beer and liquor license, then maybe he should not be a Pastor.
Or maybe Jesus is ok with cigs and beer.
Or is it just wine that He is ok with and that, as long as you don't get drunk?
Should this same Pastor sell marijuanna once it is legalized in his or her state?
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09-27-2016, 03:57 PM
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Re: Pastors and Business
JD - do you have any funds invested in the stock market? 401K? Mutual funds? Etc...
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09-27-2016, 07:03 PM
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Re: Pastors and Business
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JD - do you have any funds invested in the stock market? 401K? Mutual funds? Etc...
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I think I know where you are going with this question to him. One question I have of that pastor is the sole owner of those stores or is an investor with other partners.
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
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09-27-2016, 07:43 PM
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Re: Pastors and Business
I know of a pastor who owns a cinema. It has caused a lot of division in his church. My cousin resigned as a board member, but still attends church for now because of the relationships he has there, but he won't stay much longer. The pastor justifies it because he has evangelism material in the lobby, they have church sponsored events there and he says they are trying to reach the unchurched in their city. Yet he is required by the studios to show certain movies that are the furthest thing any Christian should watch. Again he justifies it by saying he doesn't watch those flicks and he discourages his members from watching them.
This convenience store pastor needs to step down and be a local businessman. The cinema owning pastor needs to step down and be a local businessman.
Not just anyone should be a pastor.
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09-28-2016, 05:53 AM
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Re: Pastors and Business
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I'd have to ask, can anyone present Scripture specifically prohibiting tobacco and alcohol?
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Bible Tobacco prohibition?
Maybe it's in the same verse where it says you shall never drink of the fermented grape less ye die?
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09-28-2016, 06:40 AM
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Re: Pastors and Business
One of the strangest situations I've seen was with a sister who was in music ministry (he wasn't a pastor) in Dayton, Ohio. When her mother was diagnosed with cancer, she and her husband temporarily moved to Missouri to help her. Part of that involved running and managing her mother's adult entertainment boutique. So, this sister and her husband managed and ran the store as her mother underwent treatment. When her mother died, she left the store to her and so she and her husband became the "proud owners" of this shop. While running the store they actually made many friends among the clientele. They managed the store well, cleaned it up, and paid off her mother's debt. She and her husband eventually sold it once all the finances were in order. You just don't hear about a holiness Pentecostal couple owning a store like that every day. lol
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09-28-2016, 06:49 AM
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Re: Pastors and Business
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Bible Tobacco prohibition?
Maybe it's in the same verse where it says you shall never drink of the fermented grape less ye die?
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Before going out on a limb and mandating that a pastor give up a family business (or a business he built prior to his calling) over the sale of tobacco and alcohol, I think we should search the Scriptures to determine if the actually prohibit alcohol and tobacco.
I'm not saying that tobacco is good for you, we all know that it isn't. And I'd admonish that people give up the use of tobacco for the sake of health. But in all honesty, I do not see the actual prohibition of tobacco (or alcohol) in Scripture. I could be wrong, but I just don't see it.
So, before rushing to any judgment or condemnation, let's dig into the Scriptures themselves. Does the Bible clearly prohibit the use of tobacco and alcohol? Is it a matter of interpretation? Is it a Heaven or Hell issue?
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09-28-2016, 09:36 AM
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Re: Pastors and Business
Should a Christian work in an abortion clinic?
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09-29-2016, 06:36 AM
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Re: Pastors and Business
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Should a Christian work in an abortion clinic?
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I think most Christians will agree that working in an abortion clinic is not acceptable for the Christian.
The question of the original post surrounds the sale of alcohol and tobacco.
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09-29-2016, 08:19 AM
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Re: Pastors and Business
Maybe that was the original question, but the implication of the question is should Christians be involved, business-wise, with things that go against their beliefs.
So, to me it is a larger issue than the question that was posed.
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