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Old 03-22-2017, 05:16 PM
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Re: My Pastor Preach on Tithing - Faulty Methodolo

The accusation of Trollster wasn't unwarranted.

The individual uses the nick BRAINWASHED?

Then we receive the "my pastor is in it for the money" Bible study?

Seriously?

So, after I called this person a troll, I then get "what great substance you have to offer?"

You want some substance BW? Here let me help you out. Number one give this thread to your pastor. Let him know that you have taken your show on the road. Have a nice discussion with him, tell him goodbye, and then start your own congregation. Hey, we now know you can do it better than anyone. Because after all these years on these forums I learned that people who start these sorts of threads are experts on how to git'er done. Far be it from me to correct such a scholar from the holler. I bet people just sit like hungry birds with their mouths wide open for you when you are teaching and counseling people out in the parking lot. No, you go forward and show this entire thread to your pastor.

Then get some chairs, take your Bible, and show everyone how to do it.
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I'm there for personal reasons I can't disclose.
That's fine. But it is best to not disclose your thoughts about the pastor publicly either. Make it about the issue and don't mention who it is who said these things. ...my advice.
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That's fine. But it is best to not disclose your thoughts about the pastor publicly either. Make it about the issue and don't mention who it is who said these things. ...my advice.

Exactly because the first thing people are going to do when you express views they don't agree with is attack the messenger first so they don't have to discuss the message.

It's the same way with politics and philosophy.
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Re: My Pastor Preach on Tithing - Faulty Methodolo

It's just that when people start these threads it seems always to have a pastor hanging at the end of a rope. Swinging slowly back and froth while they hold their discussion. Then you have your UPCI dragged through the street thread. This is where the posters take turns tying the UPCI to the back bumper of their truck. They then drag it around till the meat falls off its bones. Last but not least the Ultra Conservative Old Time Pennycostal thread, where the poster take UC preachers, churches, standards and burn them in effigy. All while they form a dance line behind the god Bacchus.
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Old 03-22-2017, 07:37 PM
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It's just that when people start these threads it seems always to have a pastor hanging at the end of a rope. Swinging slowly back and froth while they hold their discussion. Then you have your UPCI dragged through the street thread. This is where the posters take turns tying the UPCI to the back bumper of their truck. They then drag it around till the meat falls off its bones. Last but not least the Ultra Conservative Old Time Pennycostal thread, where the poster take UC preachers, churches, standards and burn them in effigy. All while they form a dance line behind the god Bacchus.

Dude I totally get that.

I also get how frustrating it is to believe everything you are told and then find out that they were wrong about things.

It's a horrible letdown.

Yes yes I know it's our fault for putting a man on a pedestal....But we didn't do that did we?

In many cases the man was already on the pedestal when we showed up and we didn't know any different so we just fell in line like everybody else.

We searched through scripture not trying to disprove a pastor out of carnality but because we were trying to understand and then we discovered something called context.

We keep digging because we have been told that we have truth so what is there to fear?

So there is some anger and confusion...You begin to wonder if anyone else knows...Will you be targeted if you speak up?

I didn't have one of those nice touchy feely pastors...I had a hardcore ex town drunk...The kind of guy you were afraid of for good reason...So you just kept your mouth shut out of fear.

Is he coming across kinda rough? Maybe a bit.

So here's my advice to the OP.

I'm sure your pastor is preaching what he believes and what he was taught with no ulterior motives. Maybe or maybe not but that's what I'm choosing to believe.

The Bible has a TON of different things and very few people agree 100% on them.

Be mature and see it as one of those things.

Pray that God will speak to him about what you are seeing.

Don't cause discord or try to recruit people on a "anti pastor crusade" because I guarantee you that if they up and leave and follow you they will leave you just as quick over something THEY don't agree with you about.

Don't just take things at face value....Study them for yourself.

You are not a hammer...Everything that pops its head up doesn't need to be wacked.

Instead of getting worked up over things such as tithing why don't you work on obeying the things that ARE clearly spelled out for believers to be doing.

Heal the sick,raise the dead, cleanse the lepers, cast out devil's.

That's way more fun and productive than debating about tithing.

No one will ever come to the knowledge of the saving,healing delivering power of Christ by debating church policy.

Ultimately it's a distraction...If the enemy can get you focused on this instead of obeying Christ, he has you beat because no matter how well you can argue against tithes if you aren't obeying Christ you are in disobedience and in sin which means the enemy has taken you out of play.

I'm not being harsh or hateful bro and neither are the above posters. We don't agree on everything...We just want to help and we want you to be fighting the right enemy and the right enemy isn't your pastor...Our enemy is not flesh and blood....
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Then why complain about a sermon?

Are you an elder in your congregation? Did you speak to an elder about the sermon? Did you speak to the pastor about the sermon?
I've spoken to the pastor who always dances around my questions. I have never been able to receive a direct answer, just as nobody here yet addressed my post.
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Such a lack of respect....
Oh spare me......What about a lack of respect for using the word of God to enforce something that's no longer valid?

What happened to Paul's comment in 2 Corinth 9:7-(AMP)
Let each one give [thoughtfully and with purpose] just as he has decided in his heart, not grudgingly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver [and delights in the one whose heart is in his gift].



Where in this scripture is Paul commanding tithing for the New Testament church?

Can you answer that?
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Oh but of course, how convenient that you are in the congregation on a secret mission.
Evan Ben,

How about you address my comments. I would love to read your explanation.
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