Submission? Or Power and Control?

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

For once in this forum history, I would love for someone to lay out sound Biblical points as to why ILG is wrong in her views or whether or not the authors are right or wrong in their views.

It is always so easy to throw out insults. Is there someone who has Biblical wisdom to respond intelligently to ILG on this issue - for once? Would that be too much to ask?

PO - this has been sliced and diced many times on this forum.
Most of us have no reason to rehash it again.
Especially with ILG, whose primary goal in life is the destruction of the UPC.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

For once in this forum history, I would love for someone to lay out sound Biblical points as to why ILG is wrong in her views or whether or not the authors are right or wrong in their views.

It is always so easy to throw out insults. Is there someone who has Biblical wisdom to respond intelligently to ILG on this issue - for once? Would that be too much to ask?

A bit hard to do this without reading the source material. We're only given snippets of various quotes from several pages. There's no context given for the partial quotes which have been posted. How can anyone accurately offer opinion of the booklet without full quotes and context?

Also, the post wasn't written for debate or a request for opinion. This was written as a statement for an anti-UPC Facebook group.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Amanah

I think women with short hair can be powerful and controlling.

Yes, they can.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

For once in this forum history, I would love for someone to lay out sound Biblical points as to why ILG is wrong in her views or whether or not the authors are right or wrong in their views.

It is always so easy to throw out insults. Is there someone who has Biblical wisdom to respond intelligently to ILG on this issue - for once? Would that be too much to ask?

[n david]

Recent threads created by ILG:

Submission? Or Power and Control?
More on Skirts
Joy Haney on Skirts - Critique
It's Your Fault People are Homosexual
Legalism and Grief
You Can Fake It All

Each one either a direct attack on the UPCI, or, as with Legalism and Grief, a veiled attack on the organization. A few are noted as written for an anti-UPC group on Facebook.

It's not dialogue ILG wants.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

PO - this has been sliced and diced many times on this forum.
Most of us have no reason to rehash it again.
Especially with ILG, whose primary goal in life is the destruction of the UPC.

I don't write for those who have their minds made up, I write for those who are struggling and looking for answers. Maybe people who supposedly know the "right" answer should do the same. I notice no one has a valid reason for why Gary and Linda Reed so easily say that long hair is so women can control their environment without sin.

[ILG]

For those who want "context":

[ILG]

bottom of page 28 "God has given holy woman a way to control their environment without sin". There you go.

[JoeBandy]

Originally Posted by ILG

I always find it fascinating how the issue of control comes out in a supposed form of submission. This is evident in the uncut hair issue and I will demonstrate this with quotes from the booklet Guardians of His Glory by Linda and Gary Reed.

The booklet starts out talking about Lucifer and his fall to give a foundation for the rest of the booklet. After talking about Lucifer they write “In the same manner, a wandering star in the kingdom of God spirals out of control.” Pg 7 There is a lot of talk about wickedness, hell, deception. “Beauty queens will appear in this performance as nightmarish monsters….sinners and hypocrites will be tortured together..” pg 10 This sets a foundation of fear.

Later, it talks about being a chosen generation and a royal priesthood. It talks about how we can “shine or irradiate others, as the glory and power of God’s electromagnetic radiation is refracted in our lives….let us leave illusion and self deception….then we will truly be refractors of His glory!” Pg 22.

As many of the books that we have looked at, a foundation of fear is set and then a way to escape the wrath of God…..if you follow the writer’s teaching.

Chapter three begins with talking about not being unequally yoked with unbelievers and the power of holiness. It talks about setting “boundaries on our flesh”. Pg 23 Here is where they begin to talk about a woman’s hair. “The woman’s authority from God is symbolized by her personal glory-her long uncut hair……the entire spectra of God’s glory on earth is clouded when women cut their hair….” Pg 25

It would appear that they try to address some previous teachings (no name is mentioned but I think I know!) when they say “Some teach that we, human beings, have replaced these guardians of God’s glory of God in their homes. This is not substantiated by scripture….” Pg 26

Here is where the issue of control begins to be addressed. “Women have always sought control. In centuries past they were subservient to men….through witchcraft they (pagan cultures) obtained control of kingdoms….they learned how to reverse God’s divine order….pg 27….they shaved their heads…abortion and infanticide were regularly practiced….women….have used sex to wield power over men…pg 28

Now pay attention here: “Women do not need the use of perversion to manipulate their surroundings. For God has given women a way to control their environment without sin. God put women in the middle for a reason….she has the unique ability to mediate and resolve problems. Yet many in-between women are not in control of their situations simply because they are ignorant of God’s endowment. When a woman submits to God’s precepts she will find a channel to glory…..He will make a way where there seems to be no way!” What??? So, if a woman desires to control and manipulate, she should not do it by sex or witchcraft but by not cutting her hair?? Amazing! Confounding!!

They go on about how women can have “power”! Power on her head because of the angels! The word power-exousia means “Force-Capacity-Competency-Freedom and Mastery” When a godly woman (read-woman who does not cut her hair!) is at her wits end, feels totally inadequate, needs protection and power and is threatened with bondage….when she faces Satan’s forces, she becomes a superwoman! “If women only knew what power they would possess by accepting God’s plan, they would readily accept it”! pg 30 Astounding! If you feel out of control….here is a way you can have power and control! Don’t cut your hair! This issue is not about submission. It’s about power and control.
Then, the scary stories ensue about a girl who went insane when a father pushed a girl into the barber’s chair. “When he finished the girl literally went insane, as evil spirits took control of her youthful mind and body.” Pg 30
“A woman’s uncut hair creates a channel of glory in which the angels are empowered to minister. Women especially need an escape valve. This channel is a spiritual hotline to glory. Wow!” pg 30-31

The booklet wraps up with more supposedly convincing arguments.

Do you see how this message could really be enticing to a woman who feels out of control in her life? All she has to do is stop cutting her hair and she will have power and control! This is really dangerous because instead of working towards a true and positive solution for real problems, a woman’s energy is diverted into “long hair” and the belief that it gives her some special power. So, how does a sign that is supposed to be about submission (according to UPC theology) turn into one of power and control? I think the whole thing is about power and control from beginning to end.

Written for the Facebook Group: Breaking Out

Biblically speaking there is only one way to receive power and that is upon receiving the Holy Ghost. Acts 1:8 I think. Any action that we take that takes the focus off of Jesus Christ and Him crucified is a completely false doctrine!!

[ILG]

Originally Posted by JoeBandy

Biblically speaking there is only one way to receive power and that is upon receiving the Holy Ghost. Acts 1:8 I think. Any action that we take that takes the focus off of Jesus Christ and Him crucified is a completely false doctrine!!

Yes!