The Last Reformation Hospital Miracle

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by jediwill83

It has also clued me in to realizing that thereare demonic manifestations in the church that disguise themselves as true manifestations of the Spirit that are not.

I believe that some of the church has had their discernment dulled and allow these to go on instead of addressing them.

Can you elaborate?

[houston]

It has also clued me in to realizing that thereare demonic manifestations in the church that disguise themselves as true manifestations of the Spirit that are not.

I believe that some of the church has had their discernment dulled and allow these to go on instead of addressing them.

what?

[jediwill83]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Can you elaborate?

loud disruptive false to tongues that manifest to sidetrack or drown out what is going on. Its not that it drives God away....its just that Ive seen people submit to and accept these manifestations that are very out of order.

Im not saying its in every church but I have seen it in some churches Ive attended.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by jediwill83

loud disruptive false to tongues that manifest to sidetrack or drown out what is going on. Its not that it drives God away....its just that Ive seen people submit to and accept these manifestations that are very out of order.

Im not saying its in every church but I have seen it in some churches Ive attended.

Considering 1 Corinthians chapters 12-14 and Paul's correction of abuses regarding speaking in tongues, don't you think it odd that he never said "some of this stuff going on is demonic"? Rather, people simply weren't operating properly "as a team", causing disorder. The solution wasn't casting out demons, but proper teaching.

Thoughts?

[Esaias]

As a follow up... how come none of the apostles had to teach about demons manifesting in church masquerading as the Spirit EXCEPT in the case of TEACHERS teaching false doctrines?

[jediwill83]

[QUOTE=Esaias;1511677]As a follow up... how come none of the apostles had to teach about demons manifesting in church masquerading as the Spirit EXCEPT in the case of TEACHERS teaching false doctrines?[/QUOTE

We are not the original church of the Apostles...I believe there were some things that were just understood by the original church.

We resemble the first church somewhat but we have many roots in denominal doctrines and traditions.

Yes we need more teaching and it is the lack of Biblical teaching that has allowed the enemy to sneak in and try to blend.

[Esaias]

[QUOTE=jediwill83;1511680]

Originally Posted by Esaias

As a follow up... how come none of the apostles had to teach about demons manifesting in church masquerading as the Spirit EXCEPT in the case of TEACHERS teaching false doctrines?[/QUOTE

We are not the original church of the Apostles...I believe there were some things that were just understood by the original church.

We resemble the first church somewhat but we have many roots in denominal doctrines and traditions.

Yes we need more teaching and it is the lack of Biblical teaching that has allowed the enemy to sneak in and try to blend.

I'm not understanding you. Are you saying you believe X, and the original church knew, understood, and believed X, but there's no record of X?

Don't you believe the Bible is supernaturally designed to be all we need for instruction and understanding? That if it ain't taught in scripture we can't really claim it as doctrine? That way we don't just proclaim our personal opinions as Gospel Truth?

Help me out here,please clarify.

[thephnxman]

His NAME is Jesus!

[QUOTE=Esaias;1511681]

Originally Posted by jediwill83

I'm not understanding you. Are you saying you believe X, and the original church knew, understood,
and believed X, but there's no record of X? Don't you believe the Bible is supernaturally designed to
be all we need for instruction and understanding? That if it ain't taught in scripture we can't really claim
it as doctrine? That way we don't just proclaim our personal opinions as Gospel Truth?
Help me out here,please clarify.

That's how I lean, Beloved. I don't have witness to agree with whatever is
happening: especially since I believe that we don't need a reformation, as
much as we need a restoration!

"And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while
I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the
law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me."

Now we also have the very words of Jesus, and of his apostles and prophets:
and the gospel that we preach, along with the doctrine that we teach must
necessarily harmonize with those "...holy men of God spake as they were
moved by the Holy Ghost."

Brother Villa

[jediwill83]

[QUOTE=Esaias;1511681]

Originally Posted by jediwill83

I'm not understanding you. Are you saying you believe X, and the original church knew, understood, and believed X, but there's no record of X?

Don't you believe the Bible is supernaturally designed to be all we need for instruction and understanding? That if it ain't taught in scripture we can't really claim it as doctrine? That way we don't just proclaim our personal opinions as Gospel Truth?

Help me out here,please clarify.

No, Im not claiming to know things that the Bible does not teach or that we need to refer to extrabiblical sources for understanding of the spiritual...lets get that straight right now.

What Im saying is that I believe some things that happen in church, had Paul seen them, he would be confronting them like the fortune teller following after them proclaiming that "These men show us the way to salvation"

Im not talking out my hat here. This isnt something that I alone have seen. My pastor was in a service somewhere between the north and south pole and he walked into a situation like that where something manifested and the people, even the pastor of that church and elders just pretended that everything was cool either out of ignorance or fear.

Basically a guy stood up flexing and bowed up acting like the Hulk.....staring, growling, knocking over pews *with eyes open and glaring * and proceeded to get into a fight with another church member.


Let me ask you this Esaias, do you not believe that the enemy has people stting on our pews hiding in plain sight?

Do you not think its a possibility that they are able to do so because of some things we have let creep in and accept?

[jediwill83]

[QUOTE=thephnxman;1511682]His NAME is Jesus!

Originally Posted by Esaias

That's how I lean, Beloved. I don't have witness to agree with whatever is
happening: especially since I believe that we don't need a reformation, as
much as we need a restoration!

"And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while
I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the
law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me."

Now we also have the very words of Jesus, and of his apostles and prophets:
and the gospel that we preach, along with the doctrine that we teach must
necessarily harmonize with those "...holy men of God spake as they were
moved by the Holy Ghost."

Brother Villa

Brother, whether you call it a reformation or restoration, Im not looking for some sort of new doctrine just pulled from Lord knows where. Im talking about getting rid of tradition and sacred cows that makes the Word of God to no effect as Jesus said.

I dont use anyones "bestseller " to formulate my belief system other than the Bible. Im not being arrogant but its the only Truth I can trust.