Rev 12 & 13 - Page 2

mfblume · #11 01-20-2018, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

I would just add that Israel is a people, previously under the old covenant, now under the new covenant. Not two different groups of people under two different covenants claiming the same name.

There has only ever been one Israel of God. Those under the old covenant who refused Christ were broken off and, after the interim period of transition from old to new covenant ended in 70 AD, lost any claim to being the Israel of God. And no, the modern people calling themselves Jews are not the genetic remains of those cut off Israelites.

The remnant of the seed of the woman is exactly that, the descendants of the 12-tribed Israel of God that produced Messiah. AKA "the church".

Right the church simply progressed into the new covenant and opened up to saved gentiles.

Sean · #12 01-20-2018, 01:25 PM

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Not two different groups of people under two different covenants claiming the same name.

Who teaches that?

Sean · #13 01-20-2018, 01:28 PM

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The remnant of the seed of the woman is exactly that, the descendants of the 12-tribed Israel of God that produced Messiah. AKA "the church".
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.....Which seed get's slaughtered by the antichrist during the Great Tribulation....

17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

If the seed is the church, then prepare for war.

Sean · #14 01-20-2018, 01:31 PM

The true seed of the woman found in Rev 14.....

14 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:

3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.

Esaias has too many kids to qualify.....LOL