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01-21-2018, 08:19 PM
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Re: For God so loved the world
One, as in unified by the Holy Ghost inside Jesus, not one as in the same exact person.
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01-22-2018, 05:31 AM
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Re: For God so loved the world
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Not sure I follow you, and i probably worded it all wrong.
But let me ask you like this, is or is not the “HE” of the “I AM HE” in verse 24, referring to the FATHER of vs. 27, thereby making Jesus himself our Father, and if we do not believe exactly that(Jesus is the Father), we will die in our sins?
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This seems to be what he is saying. If he is not the EVERLASTING FATHER....AND.....THE BEGOTTEN SON....he is not the CHRIST.
Read Isaiah 9:6 and that becomes clear.
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01-22-2018, 08:17 AM
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Re: For God so loved the world
Isaiah 9:6 says he shall be the Everlasting Father, not born the Everlasting Father as supposed.
He was born a child/son, then BECAME the Everlasting Father upon the resurrection, via the Col 2:9 effect.
Side note....Notice that some think the "Everlasting Father(Jesus)" is not omnipresent.
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01-22-2018, 06:22 PM
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Re: For God so loved the world
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Isaiah 9:6 says he shall be the Everlasting Father, not born the Everlasting Father as supposed.
He was born a child/son, then BECAME the Everlasting Father upon the resurrection, via the Col 2:9 effect.
Side note....Notice that some think the "Everlasting Father(Jesus)" is not omnipresent.
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So, he wasn't born the Prince of Peace?
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"all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
~Declaration of Independence
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01-22-2018, 07:27 PM
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Re: For God so loved the world
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So, he wasn't born the Prince of Peace?
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No, he was born a child/son.
He became the Latter Titles after the resurrection, via the Col 2:9 effect.
The Prince of Peace, Mighty God, Everlasting Father etc., was not tortured to death by Romans.
The Everlasting Father did not die.
His only begotten son died.
Last edited by Sean; 01-22-2018 at 07:34 PM.
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01-22-2018, 07:31 PM
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Re: For God so loved the world
His earthly life....
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given:
After his resurrection....
and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
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01-22-2018, 07:59 PM
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Re: For God so loved the world
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Originally Posted by Sean
No, he was born a child/son.
He became the Latter Titles after the resurrection, via the Col 2:9 effect.
The Prince of Peace, Mighty God, Everlasting Father etc., was not tortured to death by Romans.
The Everlasting Father did not die.
His only begotten son died. |
So, Jesus really meant to tell Phillip, if you see me you will not see the father until after I ascend?
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"all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
~Declaration of Independence
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01-22-2018, 08:01 PM
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Re: For God so loved the world
No, he was saying the Father was in him(unified) in the very next verse, thus you see the Father, that is invisible.
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01-22-2018, 08:05 PM
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Re: For God so loved the world
Are you of the persuasion that teaches the Mighty God/Everlasting Father died?
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01-22-2018, 08:06 PM
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Re: For God so loved the world
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So, he wasn't born the Prince of Peace?
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Apparently, Sean doesn't think He was all that Wonderful, either. That's what happens when a person doesn't accept Him as Counsellor.
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