The Great Tribulation: Battleground Earth

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

There is so much that we need to forget about what some people have said and just have faith in God and quit looking for some worse time to come. There are people right now in the world that are, or are going through tribulation that to them is like never was or never will be like this in the world. But because it is written like this in Matthew we continue to look for something worse.

Common people this time Jesus was talking about happened in most of the peoples life time that lived then. In the first century when Jerusalem was sacked.

What we need to get in our minds is what the bible was written for. That it was a history of a people that Christ would come to earth through, to bring the good news that the Kingdom of God was come to earth for all people, not just the Jew or Israelite.

The story of the bible was not about tribulation to come. But about Jesus coming to earth to bring the whole world salvation.

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

We need to be about continuing to spread the good news of God's kingdom and to live the life that Jesus taught about in the gospels to love God and love your neighbor as ourselves.

What you dont see apparently is that MANY PEOPLE get saved BECAUSE OF the prophetic warnings. Also for many of us it gives a glorious sense of expectancy while waiting for the coming of Jesus Christ to gather together his elect.

[diakonos]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

What you dont see apparently is that MANY PEOPLE get saved BECAUSE OF the prophetic warnings. Also for many of us it gives a glorious sense of expectancy while waiting for the coming of Jesus Christ to gather together his elect.

I don’t know of 1 person that got saved because of Gog and Magog, the chupacabra, or fear of having to receive a tattoo...I mean a computer chip... I mean a tattoo... or...

They got saved because a preacher preached the gospel to them. Their eyes were opened and their hearts were convicted.

[Esaias]

Clearly, the new world order is preparing children to accept the beast, because now they have chupacabra plush toys!

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by diakonos

I don’t know of 1 person that got saved because of Gog and Magog, the chupacabra, or fear of having to receive a tattoo...I mean a computer chip... I mean a tattoo... or...

They got saved because a preacher preached the gospel to them. Their eyes were opened and their hearts were convicted.

Heres what I mean using myself as the example. I was a hippie in 1974 browsing through an occult bookstore. My eyes fell upon a book that mentioned the end times. That was a concept I had rarely heard and certainly knew nothing of.

I got curious and took it home. After a few days I started reading the Bible. In my 20 year life at that time I had maybe read the Bible about 30 minutes. Now as I started looking into end time prophecy I got excited about reading it. Like 2-3 hours a night!

As I began praying and seeking God I found the greatest desire to know him and his word. Within 6 weeks I received the Holy Ghost.

I can tell you this happened to thousands of people around that time. I have no doubt it is still happening today. The end time message catches ones attention. He starts seeking God. He either hears the gospel of salvation from someone or maybe like myself begins just seeking for Jesus....and he shows up!

So because you have not met one person with such a testimony does not mean there is no one.

[Michael The Disciple]

Common people this time Jesus was talking about happened in most of the peoples life time that lived then. In the first century when Jerusalem was sacked.

What we need to get in our minds is what the bible was written for. That it was a history of a people that Christ would come to earth through, to bring the good news that the Kingdom of God was come to earth for all people, not just the Jew or Israelite.

So the Bible is so one might know the history of the Jewish people? Well what relevance then has the Bible for us today then?

Luke 21:25

25And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; 26Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. 27And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

So in OUR DAY we have no signs pointing to the coming of Jesus on a cloud to redeem US?

We need not watch the signs and pray? So if you believe this was JUST FOR ISRAEL you must believe Jesus already came in the first century. In that case the Bible means nothing to us. It was not written for a people who MISSED THE COMING OF JESUS.

It was written for a people who were LOOKING FOR his coming.

Also consider this. If the book of Revelation was just for first century dwellers at Jerusalem almost NONE OF THEM ever knew anything about it.
Even if Revelation was written before 70ad almost no one owned their own "Bible".

So if there may have been a few hand written copies of it around how many Messianic Jews owned copies of the Old Testament in which they would go back and study to tie the symbols of Revelation with the prophetic words that came before?

If Matt 24 were strictly for the Jews in the first century thats all they would have needed. The book of Revelation even if seen by a few of them would not have been needed.

[Michael The Disciple]

IMO this thread is already showing the great need for videos like the one Dom posted. Believers think life will always just go on as it is at least a great number of them. That America will always be prosperous and free with a constitution to protect them.

Many are taken with fear at just talking about such things. It does not seem real that here in the good ol USA we could be getting persecuted for our faith. Not to mention if and when God begins casting his wrathful judgements against our nation.

No they have been rocked to sleep by pre trib and preterist teachings that the terrible and glorious events of the Revelation written by John is totally irrelevant to them. The pre tribs because they think Jesus would not allow them to suffer for his name.

The prets because they say all this happened to the Jews ONLY in 70ad!

So when the end times arrive and all their confidence is shaken because they will be facing life in the slaughterhouse of Mystery Babylon or possible beheading among the 10 nations the beast rules....many....will fall away.

So yes bring on more sound end time doctrine and yes embrace the whole armor of God that you may be able to stand in the evil day.

Does that mean you cannot go forth and serve God now? God forbid! The Church is to be a foretaste of the Heavenly kingdom. Demonstrate the love and the power of God. Go after the lost!

Yet understand that its no strange thing if firey trials come. Take the stand in your heart you will be prepared to die (literally) for the Lord Jesus Christ. Teach your wife and kids and whoever else will listen to make that commitment.

[Esaias]

"Not to mention if and when God begins casting his wrathful judgements against our nation."

Judgments have already been falling on America, for quite some time.

But talking about how we are going to be seeing chupacabra scorpion demons running around -literally and visibly - is silly.

If those are literal, then the beast is a literal monster, crawling up out of the ocean somewhere. BUT YOU DON'T BELIEVE THAT, DO YOU? Thus, you are inconsistent.

Futurism leads to errors like this. Which in turn leads to misunderstanding things like the mark of the beast, paving the way for people to take the mark while thinking "Well, I haven't gotten a chip implant or tattoo so I'm good".

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Esaias

"Not to mention if and when God begins casting his wrathful judgements against our nation."

Judgments have already been falling on America, for quite some time.

But talking about how we are going to be seeing chupacabra scorpion demons running around -literally and visibly - is silly.

If those are literal, then the beast is a literal monster, crawling up out of the ocean somewhere. BUT YOU DON'T BELIEVE THAT, DO YOU? Thus, you are inconsistent.

Futurism leads to errors like this. Which in turn leads to misunderstanding things like the mark of the beast, paving the way for people to take the mark while thinking "Well, I haven't gotten a chip implant or tattoo so I'm good".

Gods judgement has been coming but expect it to "get worse". The wicked shall be turned into hell and all the nations that forget God. Some things in scripture are literal some are spiritual. Its not all one way or the other.

Thank God for FUTURISM.

The everything is past doctrines leaves us with no purpose and no hope.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Gods judgement has been coming but expect it to "get worse". The wicked shall be turned into hell and all the nations that forget God. Some things in scripture are literal some are spiritual. Its not all one way or the other.

Thank God for FUTURISM.

The everything is past doctrines leaves us with no purpose and no hope.

I never said God's judgments won't increase. As long as repentance is delayed, they will increase.

Thank God for futurism? Futurism is a direct cause of much of the abounding of sin in our society.

Futurist eschatology makes Zionism palatable to professing Christians, whereby they assist and support and pray FOR ANTICHRIST.

Futurism gave us rapture-escapism (most futurists are pretrib rapturists). Thus abandoning the mission of the church to fight the good fight, leaving society to swirl the drain.

Futurism causes Christians to be enamored of fear porn to the point they avoid leaving a solid inheritance to their grand children, both spiritually and economically. If they even bother to have families, that is.

Futurism creates wild speculations that cause people to abandon study of prophecy altogether.

Futurism's insanities eventually creates preterists, if not atheists.

"The everything is past" is just the flip side of the "everything is future" coin.

[Esaias]

Where'd Mike go?