why evangelics love Israel

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Dom,

What is the video by Singer supposed to teach us? We know that the modern Jews reject Yeshua. We get it. Do we still love them for the Fathers sake? Yes

Rabbi Singer video proves that they don’t believe your eschatology.
Build the temple Mike. Reinstate animal sacrifice, and get a Khazar high priest to officiate services.

Good grief, our people are destroyed for lack of knowledge.

Oh, His name has been Jesus for over 2,000 years, so either moved to Israel, or learn Hebrew.

[Esaias]

Evangelicals "love Israel" because they are ignorant of Bible prophecy, ignorant of Bible history, ignorant of Jewish history, ignorant of the Jewish religion, ignorant of medieval history, and ignorant of modern history.

Instead, they have accepted uncritically a series of propositions put forward by a political movement that manipulates religious beliefs for a particular goal. And that goal is not for the benefit of anyone except a particular group. Meaning, YOU are not the beneficiaries.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Romans 11:28

28As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.

There exists a nation at this moment called Israel. You assume not even ONE of its inhabitants are of Israel. The scriptures speak much about Israel being in existence when Christ comes.

Scripture speaks of Israel becoming a multitude of nations. It also speaks of them getting a different Promised Land. It also speaks of them recognizing Messiah. It also says whoever will not hearken to Messiah is cut off from Israel. The Scripture you quoted specifically says they are enemies concerning the Gospel. Evangelicals and other dupes like to focus entirely on the second part of that verse while ignoring the first part, which is exactly how the enemies of the Gospel like it.

Preterists like yourself believe Jesus came in 70ad so I realize its hard for you to think of these scriptures having a future fulfillment.

Futurists find it hard to believe many of these things have been and continue to be fulfilled already, including Paul's doctrine that the prophesied unification of "Jew and Gentile" under Messiah was already underway in his time. Why? Because everything is always future, just around the corner. And thus futurists are unable to identify where they are in God's Program, much less identify any of the key players correctly.

Paul an apostle of Jesus Christ was baptized into the name of Yeshua and filled with the Holy Ghost. He was part of the Church.

AND YET.......he foresaw the people of Israel who were blinded in his time as one day coming out of the darkness and into the light.

So had you asked Paul "is there such a thing as Israel" he would have an answer for you that perhaps would give you a better understanding.

He would have told you circumcision is nothing, nor is uncircumcision, but a new commandment keeping creature. He would have told you gentiles who obey God from the heart are reckoned as "true Jews" while "Jews" who do NOT obey God are reckoned as heathen gentiles. He would have told you that there is a difference between an Israelite and a Jew, and that THE JEWS ARE CONTRARY TO ALL MEN AND CANNOT PLEASE GOD.

Actually, he already did tell us those things.

The existence of a modern nation calling itself "Israel" created by political machinations of the British and Zionists is hardly proof of anything Biblical, except that there are people calling themselves "Jews" WHO AREN'T, but who LIE and are in fact a synagogue OF SATAN, exactly as Jesus Christ Himself said (in Revelation, of all places).

Nobody is the apple of God's eye who rejects Jesus Christ. Judaism is Pharisaism (ask any Jew), and Jesus said the Pharisees were of their father THE DEVIL and their converts are twice the sons of hell they themselves were. The Bible very clearly identifies antichrist as those who deny the Son.

So, evangelicals apparently love and "support" antichrist. Such is the world of futurist prophecy interpretations, it results in Christians actually supporting the Antichrist.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Evangelicals "love Israel" because they are ignorant of Bible prophecy, ignorant of Bible history, ignorant of Jewish history, ignorant of the Jewish religion, ignorant of medieval history, and ignorant of modern history.

Instead, they have accepted uncritically a series of propositions put forward by a political movement that manipulates religious beliefs for a particular goal. And that goal is not for the benefit of anyone except a particular group. Meaning, YOU are not the beneficiaries.

[Michael The Disciple]

Esaias:

The Scripture you quoted specifically says they are enemies concerning the Gospel. Evangelicals and other dupes like to focus entirely on the second part of that verse while ignoring the first part, which is exactly how the enemies of the Gospel like it.

Did I ignore the first part of the verse? No. Unsaved Jews are enemies to the gospel. Apart from Yeshua they will be cast into Gehenna.

But what about the other part? Israel is beloved for the Fathers sake.

Paul said that while he was a baptized in Yeshua's name believer filled with the Spirit.

He said much about Israel in his writings positive and negative. Why not believe the WHOLE counsel of God?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Did I ignore the first part of the verse? No. Unsaved Jews are enemies to the gospel. Apart from Yeshua they will be cast into Gehenna.

But what about the other part? Israel is beloved for the Fathers sake.

Paul said that while he was a baptized in Yeshua's name believer filled with the Spirit.

He said much about Israel in his writings positive and negative. Why not believe the WHOLE counsel of God?

I do believe the whole counsel of God. Which is why I do not "support" Antichrist.

[Esaias]

He did not, by the way, say "Israel is beloved for the Father's sake." Man, talk about mangling the Word of God! And then you interpret that as "the Jews are beloved for God's sake."

He said, "...as touching the election they are beloved for the fathers' sakes." He was speaking about Jacob, not the Jews (certainly not the people calling themselves Jews today) - v 26.

As far as the ELECTION they are beloved for the sake of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Now notice, according to verse 7, "the election hath obtained it, and THE REST WERE BLINDED." Which clearly means the blinded part of Israel (not "the Jews") were OUTSIDE the part called "the election", who are "beloved for the fathers' sakes".

And none of this applies, whatsoever, to the modern day antichrists over in Palestine.

[diakonos]

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

He did not, by the way, say "Israel is beloved for the Father's sake." Man, talk about mangling the Word of God! And then you interpret that as "the Jews are beloved for God's sake."

He said, "...as touching the election they are beloved for the fathers' sakes." He was speaking about Jacob, not the Jews (certainly not the people calling themselves Jews today) - v 26.

As far as the ELECTION they are beloved for the sake of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Now notice, according to verse 7, "the election hath obtained it, and THE REST WERE BLINDED." Which clearly means the blinded part of Israel (not "the Jews") were OUTSIDE the part called "the election", who are "beloved for the fathers' sakes".

And none of this applies, whatsoever, to the modern day antichrists over in Palestine.

I wonder if Mike actually uses a Bible in English, instead of Hebrew?

Romans 11:28 I noticed that Mike made father a singular noun in the possessive case. Which isn't what the writer was saying. He is saying that they are enemies of the Gospel, but as regards election, they are beloved for the sake of their forefathers, the patriarchs. As you already posted Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Hence the reason Jesus warns the first century AD Judeans that they would be thrust out to utter darkness, while Gentiles ate with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom. Matthew 8:11-12.

Hey Mike, how are you coming along with that third temple Bible study?

[Amanah]

The third temple of Ezekiel 40-48 is the New Jerusalem of Revelation 21 descending as a bride adorned for her husband, the Church!