Majority of Americans now believe you can't change being gay!!!

[AGAPE]

the old song says

"what can wash away my sin??? nothing but the blood of Jesus"

[KwaiQ]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Gay man, former lesbian on whether they can change


By Taylor Gandossy
CNN


(CNN) -- After five years of trying to date girls and to conform and conceal his sexuality, 18-year-old Steven Field told his friends and family that he was gay.
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this really does not surprise me. Part of the moral decay and decadence spiraling out of control in America which is no longer a Christian nation IMHO.

[Rico]

These poll results don't surprise me one bit.

Originally Posted by OP_Carl

Here is the true power of television.

Next they'll convince us Santa Claus doesn't really exist!

And notice something subtle: They don't cite research data, they cite public opinion. It's a dangerous trend in our society that we are encouraging debate in important public matters to devolve into popularity contests and uninformed mob rule.

Even Chan provided some data in the course of a previous debate here on the topic: A figure of 4% of homosexuals who try to change to heterosexual succeed, but almost all of them are involved in homosexual conversion ministry.

But by a Christian who has this unnatural homosexual attraction (who is also seeking the healing of that attraction and is not embracing it and acting on it) goes home to be with the Lord, he or she will be healed of that attraction!

The important issue here isn't the underlying attraction* (which was caused during childhood; no one is born with sexual/romantic attraction and no one chooses to have such attraction), it's what one does with the attraction. Homosexuals who respond to the gospel call must then come to the place of agreeing with God that their homosexual attraction is contrary to God's created design for male and female and, thus, is something for the Lord to heal. They must then seek that healing (even if the Lord spends the rest of their lives here on Earth healing the unnatural attraction, it will be healed by the time they go home to be with the Lord). Now, that's an entirely separate issue from homosexual sin, which is everything that occurs after the point of attraction. Homosexual sin must be repented of and forsaken - it is something over which victory must be gained and maintained. In my church's ex-gay ministry, it is this gaining and maintaining victory that is our focus when dealing with people wanting to come out of homosexuality.

*attraction in this context is narrowly defined as the autonomic physiological/emotional response to sexual/romantic stimuli.

[Trouvere]

Basically what the man is saying in the article is that he gives up an gives in.I believe he is right because without the Holy Ghost its impossible,with the Holy Ghost however he can get the victory over his flesh.

Originally Posted by Trouvere

Basically what the man is saying in the article is that he gives up an gives in.I believe he is right because without the Holy Ghost its impossible,with the Holy Ghost however he can get the victory over his flesh.

He's not merely giving in, he's going on to actually embrace his homosexual attraction as part of his identity. He's gleefully siding with the enemy.

It still comes down to loving the sinner! Let God handle it~

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Originally Posted by OP_Carl

Here is the true power of television.

Next they'll convince us Santa Claus doesn't really exist!

And notice something subtle: They don't cite research data, they cite public opinion. It's a dangerous trend in our society that we are encouraging debate in important public matters to devolve into popularity contests and uninformed mob rule.

Even Chan provided some data in the course of a previous debate here on the topic: A figure of 4% of homosexuals who try to change to heterosexual succeed, but almost all of them are involved in homosexual conversion ministry.

Are you suggesting Santa is not real?

[mfblume]

Just preached last night about how we can go beryond forgiveness for sins and mistakes, and ask God to create a new clean heart within us. That way the cause of the sins is dealt with so we cease doing them again. Most people only know forgiveness. David went beyond that!

Originally Posted by mfblume

Just preached last night about how we can go beryond forgiveness for sins and mistakes, and ask God to create a new clean heart within us. That way the cause of the sins is dealt with so we cease doing them again. Most people only know forgiveness. David went beyond that!

I call that beyond healing to wholeness!

Good message you preached. Very needful!