Would you attend a church that did not require tithes?

[COOPER]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Yes we have been through this and BOTH Jesus and the Apostles taught and practiced tithing.

It was an agricultural society mostlty pay the light company a bushel of corn or buy your gas with a sack of tomatoes.

Jesus did not teach tithes.


Hebrews 7 (King James Version)
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Hebrews 7
1For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;

2To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;

3Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

4Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.

5And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:

6But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.

7And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better.

8And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.

9And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.

10For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.

11If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

12For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
13For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.

14For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

15And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
16Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.

17For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

18For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

19For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

20And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest:

21(For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec

22By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.

23And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death:

24But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.

25Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

26For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;

27Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.
28For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.

[COOPER]

I was searching and can not find it.

I found these verses.

Quote:
Matthew 23:23
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Matthew 23:22-24 (in Context) Matthew 23 (Whole Chapter)
Luke 11:42
But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Luke 11:41-43 (in Context) Luke 11 (Whole Chapter)
Luke 18:12
I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
Luke 18:11-13 (in Context) Luke 18 (Whole Chapter)
Hebrews 7:5
And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:
Hebrews 7:4-6 (in Context) Hebrews 7 (Whole Chapter)
Hebrews 7:6
But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.
Hebrews 7:5-7 (in Context) Hebrews 7 (Whole Chapter)
Hebrews 7:8
And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.
Hebrews 7:7-9 (in Context) Hebrews 7 (Whole Chapter)
Hebrews 7:9
And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.
Hebrews 7:8-10 (in Context) Hebrews 7 (Whole Chapter)
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Looks like most of the tithe payers in the New Testiment were Hypo-crites.

I can not find a requirement.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by COOPER

Jesus did not teach tithes.


Hebrews 7 (King James Version)
King James Version (KJV)
Public Domain



Hebrews 7
1For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;

2To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;

3Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

4Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.

5And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:

6But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.

7And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better.

8And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.

9And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.

10For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.

11If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

12For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
13For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.

14For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

15And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
16Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.

17For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

18For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

19For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

20And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest:

21(For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec

22By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.

23And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death:

24But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.

25Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

26For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;

27Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.
28For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.

verse 8 HERE NOT THERE but HERE men recieve tithes that die!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HERE is the Church Age!
THERE is before the law with Abraham and Melchizedec
ALSO is during the law. v. 8-9!

Jesus is a High Priest after the order of Melchizedec which is an UNCHANGABLE priesthood. The ministry are in His stead.

[Charlie Brown]

Mat 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier [matters] of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Sounds to me like Jesus is saying that they should pay tithe, but not neglect the rest of living for God.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by COOPER

I was searching and can not find it.

I found these verses.


Looks like most of the tithe payers in the New Testiment were Hypo-crites.

I can not find a requirement.

They prayed and fasted ALSO so does that mean folks who pray are hypo-crites?????????????????????????????

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Charlie Brown

Mat 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier [matters] of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Sounds to me like Jesus is saying that they should pay tithe, but not neglect the rest of living for God.

CORRECT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Jesus said you OUGHT to and Coop says you ought NOT to who lied??

[COOPER]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

CORRECT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Jesus said you OUGHT to and Coop says you ought NOT to who lied??

He said that because they were Hypocrites of the law.

And at that moment the Old Law was not yet fulfilled at the cross.

He could have very well said, You OUGHT to offer up Blood sacrifice.

Jesus did not teach Tithes to his followers.

He only spoke of tithes to Hypocrites.

I am right,.....yes I am right!

[COOPER]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

They prayed and fasted ALSO so does that mean folks who pray are hypo-crites?????????????????????????????

He said not appear to fast as the preist that like to walk through the market with their robes inlarged.

They where all show.

Get it?

[COOPER]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

They prayed and fasted ALSO so does that mean folks who pray are hypo-crites?????????????????????????????

Do you keep the Sabbath?

Luke 23:56
And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

[COOPER]

Originally Posted by COOPER

Would attend an "apostolic" church that did not require or teach tithing?

What if the Pastor was a wealthy business man and financed it all?

I would!