Internet and TV

[ILG]

Originally Posted by DividedThigh

by jove i think she s got it, lol,dt

This makes a true conservative much less judgmental. A true conservative won't be divisive over things like this, IMO. They know where they stand and why they take that stand. It's not the end of the world if others don't agree.

Originally Posted by ILG

Okay, so after being mad for losing my original and thought out post, I'll put the jist of what I was tyring to say here.

I am not a legalist. I am not against advertising on TV. I don't think having a TV will send you to hell. But I don't have one. When we left the UPC, we got a TV to play videos on. We have never hooked up the TV part.

You almost have to have internet nowadays. But TV is different. If you have videos you pick and choose what you want to watch. With TV you get all that advertising.

I like it this way, personally.

Yes, I am a pants wearing, make-up wearing, jewelry wearing heathen.

But I still have internet but not TV.

There. I'm still MAD that I lost that!!

The funny thing is with the cost of cable so high I told my husband we could just get rid of cable and watch all the shows that we usually watch on our computer anyway. Some of them are free but even the ones that are not you can get netflix for 5.00 a month and watch them on your computer.

[Lost]

Originally Posted by ILG

Well, I was going to post a poll with the thread I was going to start AND LOST so here's the poll anyway.

You called?

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Lost

You called?

So, it's YOUR fault I lost my post??? I should have known!!

[OP_Carl]

Originally Posted by ILG

. . . A true conservative stance knows that the heart is the issue. . . .

Originally Posted by ILG

This makes a true conservative much less judgmental. A true conservative won't be divisive over things like this, IMO. They know where they stand and why they take that stand. It's not the end of the world if others don't agree.

Right here is pretty much where I'm parked.

But the agenda held by the people that produce television is to create a sociological environment to more perfectly deconstruct Christianity and traditional family values. Some in the UPC pro-TV crowd also have an anti-establishment agenda. That is why I'm in favor of having a clear line of organizational demarcation. I agree with the organization's effort to highlight television's negative societal influence by making it a condition of fellowship. Rather than inspiring thoughtful consideration of the potentially-serious consequences and long-term effects of flirting with worldly influence, it has inspired something else entirely.

People need to lose themselves in their love for Jesus.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by OP_Carl

Right here is pretty much where I'm parked.

But the agenda held by the people that produce television is to create a sociological environment to more perfectly deconstruct Christianity and traditional family values. Some in the UPC pro-TV crowd also have an anti-establishment agenda. That is why I'm in favor of having a clear line of organizational demarcation. I agree with the organization's effort to highlight television's negative societal influence by making it a condition of fellowship. Rather than inspiring thoughtful consideration of the potentially-serious consequences and long-term effects of flirting with worldly influence, it has inspired something else entirely.

People need to lose themselves in their love for Jesus.

So, you basically vote to leave that agenda unopposed and let the liberals have it. Many ask, "Why let them have control over it?" Why, indeed??

There is a difference between not wanting to have one in your home and piously stating you will fellowship no one that has one....thereby banishing your brother for having a difference of opinion. That's divisive.

[OP_Carl]

Originally Posted by ILG

So, you basically vote to leave that agenda unopposed and let the liberals have it. Many ask, "Why let them have control over it?" Why, indeed??

If you believe in a coming one-world government and one-world religion, surely you can recognize that such efforts would appear to be not only futile, but working against destiny? They have and will maintain control over it until the second coming.

There is a difference between not wanting to have one in your home and piously stating you will fellowship no one that has one....thereby banishing your brother for having a difference of opinion. That's divisive.

Yes it is.
I will fellowship those in my church that have TV.
But I won't allow my children to participate in an overnight with them.
Those fantastic, incorrect, immoral, and anti-Christian images are much harder to erase from our minds than the words we hear. If it's important to protect the developing minds of our children from its influence, why wouldn't we want to protect the mind of the bride?

[ILG]

If you believe in a coming one-world government and one-world religion, surely you can recognize that such efforts would appear to be not only futile, but working against destiny? They have and will maintain control over it until the second coming.

Do you vote? Are you working against "destiny"???

Yes it is.
I will fellowship those in my church that have TV.
But I won't allow my children to participate in an overnight with them.
Those fantastic, incorrect, immoral, and anti-Christian images are much harder to erase from our minds than the words we hear. If it's important to protect the developing minds of our children from its influence, why wouldn't we want to protect the mind of the bride?

We do want to protect our children. But we also want to teach them that our opinion isn't the only opinion there is. And as far as "protecting the mind of the bride", how about protecting the mind of the bride from negative thought patterns of "our way is the only way and also the right way!" Exclusion can be to our detriment when we exclude the opinions of those who are our brothers and sisters in Christ. I think protecting the bride from division is more important than pushing one opinion onto everyone in the name of "protecting the bride from itself because it can't lead itself, so the bride itself will make rules to encase itself thereby leading itself anyway."

[Sister Alvear]

The HUMAN HEART is the main issue...

[OP_Carl]

Originally Posted by ILG

Do you vote? Are you working against "destiny"???

Sure.




A straight ticket for the communist party!




j/k

We do want to protect our children. But we also want to teach them that our opinion isn't the only opinion there is. And as far as "protecting the mind of the bride", how about protecting the mind of the bride from negative thought patterns of "our way is the only way and also the right way!" Exclusion can be to our detriment when we exclude the opinions of those who are our brothers and sisters in Christ. I think protecting the bride from division is more important than pushing one opinion onto everyone in the name of "protecting the bride from itself because it can't lead itself, so the bride itself will make rules to encase itself thereby leading itself anyway."

I'm not positive that I understand you. I believe that you know what meaning you intend to convey, and that there is personal history behind it.

On the surface what you say appears to make plain sense. However, the unspoken paradigm is the historical pattern (not inescapable) of those that are inclined toward this trend. The unwillingness to submit to this guideline has, in practice, typically (not always) been accompanied by a plethora of other issues relating to authority, doctrine, and even salvational doctrine.

The ultracons (what a fun term!) have been watching attempt after heart-rending attempt by those leaving in protest of "rules" to perform that backwards-triple-gainer off the high dive. So many have smacked their chin on the diving board during this grand attempt to enter the warm waters below that the ultracons have deemed it part of being a good neighbor to grab the arm of friends and loved ones as they reach for the ladder, and say, "this may not be such a great idea."

You could almost say that the yearning for television is the canary in the coal mine, but this would not be entirely accurate.

Of a certainty things are changing. Information and content are ever-more-readily available. The content is designed to seduce. One can take great pains to sift through it to preserve the "rightness" of their heart. Or one can leave it alone entirely and use that time to take food to somebody or crack open the bible.