Tongues & Interpretation = UPC Confirmation

[deltaguitar]

Originally Posted by Kansas Preacher

In my wife's home church, they had a lady visiting from the Assembly of God. There was a message in tongues, and this AOG lady gave the interpretation -- it was about the Oneness of God and Baptism in Jesus' Name! She, of course, accepted it, and was baptized.

Do you have a transcript of that message? I am very interested in this.

[Kansas Preacher]

Originally Posted by deltaguitar

Do you have a transcript of that message? I am very interested in this.

Unfortunately, I do not. It happened MANY years ago when my wife was just a teenager.

[Sister Alvear]

I have heard on a couple occasions of happenings but really do not know where, it seems once in a church in Oklahoma someone gave out a message in tongues and there were some foreigners there and the meeage talked about the only one God...but it was a long time ago and I do not even remember if any names were involved.

However a personal experience I was at Brother Jerry Cox´s service and (not a message) just spoke in tongues as I was praising the Lord as I was giving a testimony and afterwards a man came to Brother Cox and asked if I spoke Hebrew...the man said I praised the Lord in Hebrew...

So this has potential for all of us to hear some stories...I will be waiting...

[mfblume]

I have heard many messages in tongues that were interpreted to confirm the oneness truth. I once heard an interpretation that ended saying, "I am your God and Jesus is my name."

I have also given, myself, interpretations that said "When I was in the flesh...," and the Lord referred to something in scripture concerning His earthly walk.

However, we cannot count on tongues and interpretation to confirm or deny a message. There are too many chances for flesh to adulterate anything God uses us to say in tongues and interpretations. The bible tells us to judge prophecies. This means we do nto accept everything that is said to be "Thus saith the Lord." How do we judge them? Against the Word.

The Word of God in the Bible is the only solid foundation.

Can't recall any right now off hand , but I have yet to hear anything against oneness for sure.

Originally Posted by mfblume

I have heard many messages in tongues that were interpreted to confirm the oneness truth. I once heard an interpretation that ended saying, "I am your God and Jesus is my name."

I have also given, myself, interpretations that said "When I was in the flesh...," and the Lord referred to something in scripture concerning His earthly walk.

However, we cannot count on tongues and interpretation to confirm or deny a message. There are too many chances for flesh to adulterate anything God uses us to say in tongues and interpretations. The bible tells us to judge prophecies. This means we do nto accept everything that is said to be "Thus saith the Lord." How do we judge them? Against the Word.

The Word of God in the Bible is the only solid foundation.

Good point.

BTW, I've never heard Jesus say: "Oh my Father has something to say now." Or: "Hold on a moment, the Spirit wants to talk to you for awhile." Nor have I heard: "This is the Spirit, The Father told Jesus to tell me to tell you..."

Lastly, I've never heard an interpretation in anything but first person singular. No "we," "us," and no "our."

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

Yes I certainly have heard them. But, that would not give any credibility to specific doctrines. I think it may serve to discredit them in some cases.

I agree. No doubt sometime, somehwere there has been tongue and interpretation advocating either specifically the TV resolution or at least the idea of using TV to reach the lost and no doubt sometime, somewhere the opposite position has been also been the subject of tongues and interpretation.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by deltaguitar

Has anyone ever heard a message in tongues given and the interpretation which confirms the "oneness" doctrine as we teach or specific standards being mentioned?

The only reason I ask is that after leaving the UPC after 27 years I don't ever recall hearing a prophecy or interpretation given that confirmed our oneness doctrine or the "holiness" standards that are held in such high regard. And it just makes me wonder that if this message that we have is so important then wouldn't the Holy Spirit have at least confirmed it at least once in my 27 years.

Does anyone around here have any documented proof or at least remember a specific tongues and interpretation given that deals with our doctrine?

If this has not happened then would the question as to why we have never heard from God in this manner be a question that we should be asking?

The gifts are to edify us, our faith, not confirm someones particular doctrinal view. They are to point to Jesus.

The closest I have come to hearing one was during a red hot revival with Bro Hermon Gantts. Each night the preaching was different but the point was always the same. Repent and be baptized in Jesus name and receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. The message was different of course but the result the same.

Well one night I had a friend there from an AOG and he brought some folks from his church. The person giving the interpretation was standing right in front of them.

I can't remember all the exact words as this was over a decade ago. But the words were essentially "This man has spoken to you the truth. Why do you not obey? I have spoken only once and maybe not again. I can give like and take it again."

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

Yes I certainly have heard them. But, that would not give any credibility to specific doctrines. I think it may serve to discredit them in some cases.

Well you know...of all the interpretations and the prophecies I have NEVER heard anything remotely like "We are the Lord and we are here to bless you. We love you and bow down to give to you the things you have asked for"

It's always "I am the Lord. I can give life. I am here to bless you"

And since our Trinitarian friends often remind us that I and WE are personal pronouns showing one and more than one persons respectively...one has to wonder is only one person of the Trinity giving that interpretation and speaking for the others or is God one speaker?

I have noticed that most tongues take a similar form or patter of the OT prophetic way of God speaking to Israel through Isaiah. I an the Lord and there is none else. I can give life and I can take it again. To you this day I speak life and not death. To you I will good things and not bad things etc etc etc.

I've never heard once ever anything resembling a plurality of persons

[freeatlast]

Originally Posted by CC1

I agree. No doubt sometime, somehwere there has been tongue and interpretation advocating either specifically the TV resolution or at least the idea of using TV to reach the lost and no doubt sometime, somewhere the opposite position has been also been the subject of tongues and interpretation.

Really? I seriously doubt, that if God took time to look at our quibling over this TV issue, that he could quit luaghing long enough to send us a message.