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[AmazingGrace]

Originally Posted by Pragmatist

I'm not seeing how Resolution 3 hurts anyone that leaves because of Resolution 4 passing. How does not wanting to advertise on TV or be associated with an organization that does put you "under question"?

Well doesnt this resolution (3) leave it to the determination of the DS? And if so... what if he (person who leaves) does make it known he is leaving and is disgruntled about it.. then they can blackball him or not... pretty much the way this appears to be standing right now they can pretty much say ... Nope dont want you to associate and he would never be able to preach for another upci er again! Or that may not be the case. 3 seems to leave it to the decision of whomever which is wrong! But hey thats how the boat floats... I think that will soon be ammended too who knows

[LaGirl]

Originally Posted by CareyM

Right, that's what I was meaning. I'm not at all being mean-spirited about it. If you don't like the organization, get out!

exactly!

[AmazingGrace]

Originally Posted by CareyM

Right, that's what I was meaning. I'm not at all being mean-spirited about it. If you don't like the organization, get out!

Agreed! We dont need ones fussing and fuming when all they need to do is ultimately hand in that card and go on their merry way!

[lad]

Originally Posted by AmazingGrace

Well doesnt this resolution (3) leave it to the determination of the DS? And if so... what if he (person who leaves) does make it known he is leaving and is disgruntled about it.. then they can blackball him or not... pretty much the way this appears to be standing right now they can pretty much say ... Nope dont want you to associate and he would never be able to preach for another upci er again! Or that may not be the case. 3 seems to leave it to the decision of whomever which is wrong! But hey thats how the boat floats... I think that will soon be ammended too who knows

I don't think the DS out "here" has that much power!!! I would say that the situation would have to go throught the proper "procedure" stated in the manual concerning a "brother in question"...

[Pragmatist]

Originally Posted by AmazingGrace

Well doesnt this resolution (3) leave it to the determination of the DS? And if so... what if he (person who leaves) does make it known he is leaving and is disgruntled about it.. then they can blackball him or not... pretty much the way this appears to be standing right now they can pretty much say ... Nope dont want you to associate and he would never be able to preach for another upci er again! Or that may not be the case. 3 seems to leave it to the decision of whomever which is wrong! But hey thats how the boat floats... I think that will soon be ammended too who knows

It's theoretically possible I guess, just much more likely to have been used the other way. If you leave to start a TV program and the UPC is against TV then you could easily be "under question." If you leave b/c you disagree with allowing TV, there is no "rule" that you could have broken.

Originally Posted by Felicity

I don't think that just because people have "issues" with the UPC that they should "get out". Not at all. I would rather see them stay and work to make things better - however and whatever that means to them.

It's when we work "together" that great things and change can be accomplished if indeed change is necessary, because some changes are NOT necessary and some won't necessarily make things better. And again .... I suppose what changes are and aren't necessary and whether or not that makes things better or contrariwise depends on your point of view.

But i definitely do NOT believe that just because you don't agree with everything or like how things are that people should leave.

the only problem with this is that most UPC churches have basically preached a "get with standards or get out" message since day one...

so to back off on that with the org you are in (having the org break what you see as standards) is kind of inconsistent...

The issue is hard-headed legalism, not really what the specific standard in place is... (note: this is in some cases, not all... but the some have others following and then it turns to mob rule and people get carried with the group they are in out the door)

[Esther]

I hope they all pray through over it and stay.

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by redeemedcynic84

the only problem with this is that most UPC churches have basically preached a "get with standards or get out" message since day one...

so to back off on that with the org you are in (having the org break what you see as standards) is kind of inconsistent...

The issue is hard-headed legalism, not really what the specific standard in place is... (note: this is in some cases, not all... but the some have others following and then it turns to mob rule and people get carried with the group they are in out the door)

Haha! You caught that post before I deleted it. You were quick on the draw!

Originally Posted by Felicity

Haha! You caught that post before I deleted it. You were quick on the draw!

I haven't worked in like 4 weeks now.... so I don't have anything better to do but be quick on teh draw...

I was wondering where the post went after I posted my reply though... I thought maybe I put it in the wrong thread or something... lol

[bdlooney]

Originally Posted by CareyM

Right, that's what I was meaning. I'm not at all being mean-spirited about it. If you don't like the organization, get out!

So this only applies to the Conservative brethren? Our message to the more liberated brethren is more like, "Please keep pushing an issue that not everyone wants until you get your way! We have always stood this way but who cares? Change us!"

This is sickening that we don't care that we are possibly losing good brethren over this.