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Old 09-30-2007, 05:01 PM
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I think it's pathetic.
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Old 09-30-2007, 05:02 PM
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I truly think what has happened has been for the best. There were to sides that were separated by this issue. This to me is similar to Paul and Barnabas' issue. it was an irreconcilable difference, and they needed to separate.

So then you are for the Body fracturing and splintering off
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Old 09-30-2007, 05:02 PM
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How many of them would be for it?

Two, or three?


The horse is out of the barn Thad.

And she's ready to run for quite a distance.
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Old 09-30-2007, 05:05 PM
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How many of them would be for it?

Two, or three?


The horse is out of the barn Thad.

And she's ready to run for quite a distance.
Could be up to 965 per the vote tally!

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Old 09-30-2007, 05:06 PM
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How many of them would be for it?

Two, or three?


The horse is out of the barn Thad.

And she's ready to run for quite a distance.
Indeed. I don't think we can go back. I think that doing so could be worse for the org than just trying to shore up things and make sure that what IS in the manual is observed. And by "make sure," I simply mean that district boards need to be sure that they do not license men that HAVE televisions, and that moderates band together against further "developments." I don't believe in a police state.
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Old 09-30-2007, 05:07 PM
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facade of unity ??? is that what you think of the UPC as a whole ??
Yes. You have ultra cons like some major ones in the Western District not only conducting their own meetings but boycotting the official UPC District meetings.

You have conservative pastors forbidding their saints from going to other UPC churches special events or official UPC district or sectional events because the other churches are not "holy" enough or they don't approve of the music, or the lights. or the video screens, etc, etc.

The result is what I call a facade of unity for sure.

If Res 4 causes some of these conservatives and ultra cons to finally let go and go circle their wagons to do their own thing with those that believe like they do then they will be much happier and unified and so will the UPC that is left.
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Old 09-30-2007, 05:09 PM
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Indeed. I don't think we can go back. I think that doing so could be worse for the org than just trying to shore up things and make sure that what IS in the manual is observed. And by "make sure," I simply mean that district boards need to be sure that they do not license men that HAVE televisions, and that moderates band together against further "developments." I don't believe in a police state.

Yea i think you are right
BTW, aren't you back in the UPC??

I remember 25 years ago, churches out here were disfellowshipping other churches for having MONITORS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Don't hear much about that anymore- wonder if this will be the same case with all of this say in 10 years ??
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Old 09-30-2007, 05:11 PM
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QUESTION on Affiated to Disaffiliated

THAD or anyone else - Question:

Let's suppose that a pastor is the "founding pastor" of a church. It is an affiliated church. He is upset about the passing of Resolution #4. Can he disaffiliate and then have a claim on the property?


Who knows how that would work?
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Old 09-30-2007, 05:14 PM
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Yes. You have ultra cons like some major ones in the Western District not only conducting their own meetings but boycotting the official UPC District meetings.

You have conservative pastors forbidding their saints from going to other UPC churches special events or official UPC district or sectional events because the other churches are not "holy" enough or they don't approve of the music, or the lights. or the video screens, etc, etc.

The result is what I call a facade of unity for sure.
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Old 09-30-2007, 05:15 PM
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Yes. You have ultra cons like some major ones in the Western District not only conducting their own meetings but boycotting the official UPC District meetings.

You have conservative pastors forbidding their saints from going to other UPC churches special events or official UPC district or sectional events because the other churches are not "holy" enough or they don't approve of the music, or the lights. or the video screens, etc, etc.

The result is what I call a facade of unity for sure.

If Res 4 causes some of these conservatives and ultra cons to finally let go and go circle their wagons to do their own thing with those that believe like they do then they will be much happier and unified and so will the UPC that is left.

Yea you have a point there

I hate it but it's true - we've been living under this Cloud out west for too long and frankly, It's gotton Old
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