The UPC is gaining ministers!

[Steve Epley]

Maybe the IMA-AWCF-Global might join????????????????????

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by Amos

Counting noses doesn't tell the tale.\

When you lose men of the caliber of some of those who are leaving, you don't replace them by just licensing some other guy.

This time it isn't some radical fringe leaving.

Many of these are solid men.

I dont know if it was inteneded but this sure seems like a low blow.

the only thing this current upheaval can be compared to is the 1992 AS resolution that led to the withdrawal of quite a few men.

Then as now, those that left were men of high caliber.

Many of those that left as fall out from 1992 were not "radical fringe" people. MANY were solid men who had helped build the UPCI from its earliest days.

[ChicagoPastor]

Point is NO ONE is ireplaceable
It's too bad some have decided to leave us but others will step in or step up.

Everyone spoke of the forthcoming demise of the UPC prior to Conference in '92...didn't happen. It won't happen this time either.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Ferd

I dont know if it was inteneded but this sure seems like a low blow.

the only thing this current upheaval can be compared to is the 1992 AS resolution that led to the withdrawal of quite a few men.

Then as now, those that left were men of high caliber.

Many of those that left as fall out from 1992 were not "radical fringe" people. MANY were solid men who had helped build the UPCI from its earliest days.

That did NOT believe the new birth they might feel at home this could could be the NEXT move backwards.

[Amos]

Originally Posted by Ferd

I dont know if it was inteneded but this sure seems like a low blow.

the only thing this current upheaval can be compared to is the 1992 AS resolution that led to the withdrawal of quite a few men.

Then as now, those that left were men of high caliber.

Many of those that left as fall out from 1992 were not "radical fringe" people. MANY were solid men who had helped build the UPCI from its earliest days.

Ferd, i wasn't even thinking of the 92 situation.

i was thinking of the accusations I have heard by some that this is just a defection of radicals and some kind of lunatic fringe.

i apologize for the unoffended offense.

Certainly men like C.H. Yadon were reputable men of character. I did not mean to impugn them.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Amos

Counting noses doesn't tell the tale.\

When you lose men of the caliber of some of those who are leaving, you don't replace them by just licensing some other guy.

This time it isn't some radical fringe leaving.

Many of these are solid men.

Solid in what? Their lack of tolerance for other men of God? Lack of love for the whole Body of Christ? Solid in their opposition of the org's vision and purpose. Solid in their own kingdom building? Solid in their control over their members lives?

[Digging4Truth]

People leaving their orgs and jumping over to the UPC because the TV thing passed?

That doesn't make sense.

The only way that makes any sense is if they are doing it because they see the current (if it is true) UPC bailout as an opportunity to jump on board the UPC at a time that they have some chance of steering the org in a direction equal to their particular agenda.

Does ALJC forbid tv advertising?

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

People leaving their orgs and jumping over to the UPC because the TV thing passed?

That doesn't make sense.

The only way that makes any sense is if they are doing it because they see the current (if it is true) UPC bailout as an opportunity to jump on board the UPC at a time that they have some chance of steering the org in a direction equal to their particular agenda.

Does ALJC forbid tv advertising?

They have NO stand about television period.

[Rhymis]

Nature abhors a vacuum -- even if it's a tube.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by Amos

Ferd, i wasn't even thinking of the 92 situation.

i was thinking of the accusations I have heard by some that this is just a defection of radicals and some kind of lunatic fringe.

i apologize for the unoffended offense.

Certainly men like C.H. Yadon were reputable men of character. I did not mean to impugn them.

I appreciate you setting the record straight. I have a lot of respect for many of the men leaving now as well as those who left 15 years ago.