I do a simple trick with a borrowed pencil and borrowed bill. From two feet away I can puncture the bill with the pencil, then rip it all the way through. Then without anyone blinking, restore the bill. It is incredibly simple to do and is also an incredible effect. TOO incredible for a few who thought I had real power and were at the very edge of rebuking me for practicing witchcraft.
And don't even get me started on cold reading.... It got me banned here once.
With mental ism tricks there are many methods to accomplish the same effects. Often the ones people in religion use are not nearly as sophisticated as practiced magicians, but people are just blown away by them none the less.
I do a simple trick with a borrowed pencil and borrowed bill. From two feet away I can puncture the bill with the pencil, then rip it all the way through. Then without anyone blinking, restore the bill. It is incredibly simple to do and is also an incredible effect. TOO incredible for a few who thought I had real power and were at the very edge of rebuking me for practicing witchcraft.
And don't even get me started on cold reading.... It got me banned here once.
Let me see... there's some one here who was banned for... for "reading?" You were reading a book? A spy novel? I'm seeing Tom Clancy... I'm seeing the Cold War... I'm seeing someone reading... cold reading!
You were banned for "getting started on cold reading?"
Well for every trick of the devil, there has to be a "real". We actually DID have a lady's leg grow out years ago. She had suffered with scoliosis for years and one leg was shorter. After her healing, she had to learn to walk again because she had walked leaned-over for years. So YES, I do believe that there are fake miracles out there. But there wouldn't be fake ones without the real to imitate!!
Well for every trick of the devil, there has to be a "real". We actually DID have a lady's leg grow out years ago. She had suffered with scoliosis for years and one leg was shorter. After her healing, she had to learn to walk again because she had walked leaned-over for years. So YES, I do believe that there are fake miracles out there. But there wouldn't be fake ones without the real to imitate!!
AMEN!!!!!!!!!
I have seen miracles happen. I have never seen legs grow, but deaf ears have been opened that didn't have all it's internal "parts" because of surgery. A lady that was born without a thyroid (she attends church in Piqua, OH) her body produced a thyroid. That last time I was at that church in Ohio we had a lady with a club foot healed.
God has done some awesome things. I am sorry, if you don't believe in miracles or think it is all "smoke and mirrors" don't mean they don't happen.
I am amazed at how many Christians / Pentecostals think magicians are doing "black magic", REAL tricks.
I have a relative who is almost 30 years old who believes that Kriss (Criss?) Angel does REAL magic. I almost fell of my chair laughing when he seriously told me this. This guy is a backslider raised in a large Pentecostal church.
Even after I got on the internet and showed him a clip of KA demonstrating for somebody in a hotel room how his levitation trick is done he still was not convinced.
There are also several other good explanations of how KA does some of his illusions online but this guy is convinced.
My own wife hates magicians and has always felt they were "evil" and they were doing a form of witchcraft. She cannot be convinced that there are very human logical explanations for each and every illusion and that they do not really claim to have mystical powers.
All of these people should be tied to a chair and forced to watch reruns of that show Fox had on several years ago where the masked magician revealed how they do a lot of major illusions.
I am amazed at how many Christians / Pentecostals think magicians are doing "black magic", REAL tricks.
I have a relative who is almost 30 years old who believes that Kriss (Criss?) Angel does REAL magic. I almost fell of my chair laughing when he seriously told me this. This guy is a backslider raised in a large Pentecostal church.
Even after I got on the internet and showed him a clip of KA demonstrating for somebody in a hotel room how his levitation trick is done he still was not convinced.
There are also several other good explanations of how KA does some of his illusions online but this guy is convinced.
My own wife hates magicians and has always felt they were "evil" and they were doing a form of witchcraft. She cannot be convinced that there are very human logical explanations for each and every illusion and that they do not really claim to have mystical powers.
All of these people should be tied to a chair and forced to watch reruns of that show Fox had on several years ago where the masked magician revealed how they do a lot of major illusions.
That show was just on last night on FOX.......LOL!
I thought it was new stuff, but no, it was the same show!!! LOL!
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When I was a teenager I attended an Apostolic Camp Meeting for the first time. I was very hungry for Christian fellowship and desparate for something from God. In other words, I was young and vulnerable.
There were a couple of guys from another district that somehow were put in charge of one of the daytime services. They did the old "one leg is shorter than the other leg" trick with a lady pulled from the crowd. I didn't know many of the people there at the time so I have no idea if the sister was also in on the act.
A bunch of us had kind of swarmed around the platform area where they had the sister lay down. Even though I had heard about this particular trick before I was open to the idea that maybe the poor sister really did have back problems caused by on leg being shorter than the other. When one of the Oklahoma guys started yelling that he could "see" her leg growing eveyone crowded around. The sister looked bewildered and no one but the two guys from out of state "saw" any miracle. The crowd was unconvinced and I was really disappointed in the whole charade.
Guys like that show up regularly to tell folks around here that they "don't have enough faith" or that they need "better" holiness standards. They fizzle out after a while and either go back home or to the district next door.
Pelathais,
One year before you and I first met, the Lord grew my left leg two inches. It really DOES happen. No matter if what you witnessed you believed to be a charlatan like RandyWayne always seems to mention at work in the church, I was there.
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One year before you and I first met, the Lord grew my left leg two inches. It really DOES happen. No matter if what you witnessed you believed to be a charlatan like RandyWayne always seems to mention at work in the church, I was there.
I've seen "charlatans" at work in all kinds of venues. Selling cars, selling political favors and selling religion. hmm... I notice that they're often selling things.
And I remember your healing. I've also seen things that if I were to try and explain, folks would think I was either wacko or up to something. I am sceptical by nature, probably like RW. That may be why we bump into each other here without making sparks. For a time I lived in the "Show Me" state - so that's gotta count for something.
But I'd like to think that I also have an open mind. And I've had a few (very few over the course of my lifetime, but a few) personal experiences that I simply cannot explain away.. And, there have been times when I was motivated to explain it all away, I just never could.
We live in a world filled with wonder. God does not appear to be at our beck and call to fulfill our every whimsy, but He does answer prayer. One of the most stiring things I have ever seen was a dying man praying for and healing the sick. And then he died. Made absolutely no sense to me - at first glance ...
Well for every trick of the devil, there has to be a "real". We actually DID have a lady's leg grow out years ago. She had suffered with scoliosis for years and one leg was shorter. After her healing, she had to learn to walk again because she had walked leaned-over for years. So YES, I do believe that there are fake miracles out there. But there wouldn't be fake ones without the real to imitate!!
Thank you for your post! I realize there are fakes, too, but it makes me sick that we are so skeptical, that, as a result, we look at every miracle as a "trick" that must be debunked. Very sad. It's almost like we don't really believe miracles exist anymore.
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--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
... then there was the preacher doing all the healings of back problems, headaches, pains in the neck, one-leg-shorter, etc. etc.
Then they brought a man up with one leg to be prayed for.
The preacher thought quickly and told the guy: "Brother, no doubt God can heal you and grow you another leg. But have you thought - the Bible says in heaven we'll be made whole, so if you get another leg down here, you'll have three legs in heaven."
Well, the guy decided he'd rather wait and have just two legs in heaven.
Sorry, but that's how seriously I take these healers and "healing crusades" - oneness pentecostals or otherwise.
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