AMC Report Wednesday Night April 11

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Old Paths

CC1

I've got a couple questions.

No accusations, (J/W) but do you really feel right about passing yourself as an conservative Apostolic preacher?

And I have a question in my mind about the senior preacher that knowingly "saved you a seat". (I think that's the way you posted it )

Opie,

That is a good question. I think I actually answered it in an early post on this thread.

I have not visited the AMC meeting previously for precisely the reason you mentioned even though one year Pianoman and I came as close as the mall next door when we thoug'ht we were meeting some brethern to eat but no one showed up.

Rightly or wrongly I did use the invitation of the Elder as the reason to come. I thought about it a lot and did so for several reasons.

First I have always been able to focus on the great things I have in common with all stripes of Oneness Pentecostal believers when visiting different meetings and always enjoy lifting up the Lord with other people who love him. Because of that I knew that I would not be a "hindering" spirit or presence there.

As you know I am fascinated by Oneness Pentecostalism and enjoy studying it. I do that by attending various meetings, listening to CD's of sermons, watching webcasts, and obviously interaction on this forum and it's predecessors. The best way to study it is to experience it first hand.

It could be argued that I "passed myself off as a conservative Pentecostal minister" but I don't see it that way. I had an invitation to come as a guest which I accepted. I respected the dress code, etc. I partricipated fully in the worship with much hand clapping and hearty "amens" (including where I could in the sermon - mostly in the first 35 minutes as you can imagine). That participation was not an act but heartfelt.

If there had not been an exttended altar service after the two hour sermon and I had not had to leave and had been there for the dismissel my plan was to simply shake the hand of the only two people I would recognize there, Elders Epley and Groce, see if I could meet Sister Alvear, then quietly and quickly leave. I did not want to take away from the fellowship of like minded brethern and I certainly would have never passed myself off as a conservative preacher.

I would like to hear the other sermons from the conference and even if I never go again and just hear AMC sermons online or on CD, having been there I have a better idea of what it is like.

I meant no disrespect to the meeting, organizers, etc and hope I did not bring any harm to anyones reputation.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by CC1

Opie,

That is a good question. I think I actually answered it in an early post on this thread.

I have not visited the AMC meeting previously for precisely the reason you mentioned even though one year Pianoman and I came as close as the mall next door when we thoug'ht we were meeting some brethern to eat but no one showed up.

Rightly or wrongly I did use the invitation of the Elder as the reason to come. I thought about it a lot and did so for several reasons.

First I have always been able to focus on the great things I have in common with all stripes of Oneness Pentecostal believers when visiting different meetings and always enjoy lifting up the Lord with other people who love him. Because of that I knew that I would not be a "hindering" spirit or presence there.

As you know I am fascinated by Oneness Pentecostalism and enjoy studying it. I do that by attending various meetings, listening to CD's of sermons, watching webcasts, and obviously interaction on this forum and it's predecessors. The best way to study it is to experience it first hand.

It could be argued that I "passed myself off as a conservative Pentecostal minister" but I don't see it that way. I had an invitation to come as a guest which I accepted. I respected the dress code, etc. I partricipated fully in the worship with much hand clapping and hearty "amens" (including where I could in the sermon - mostly in the first 35 minutes as you can imagine). That participation was not an act but heartfelt.

If there had not been an exttended altar service after the two hour sermon and I had not had to leave and had been there for the dismissel my plan was to simply shake the hand of the only two people I would recognize there, Elders Epley and Groce, see if I could meet Sister Alvear, then quietly and quickly leave. I did not want to take away from the fellowship of like minded brethern and I certainly would have never passed myself off as a conservative preacher.

I would like to hear the other sermons from the conference and even if I never go again and just hear AMC sermons online or on CD, having been there I have a better idea of what it is like.

I meant no disrespect to the meeting, organizers, etc and hope I did not bring any harm to anyones reputation.

If I had only known you were there I would have gottne my super soaker and oiled you down. Then took and fed you.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

If I had only known you were there I would have gottne my super soaker and oiled you down. Then took and fed you.

LOL!!! I think you know I would never do anything to tarnish you or Elder Groce or any other minister's reputation.

If a bunch of libs with an attitude showed up trying to crash the AMC meeting I would be the first in line to haul their buts out of that room!!!

I joked about greeting you with something embarressing like "Don't worry about missing "Dancing With The Stars" on TV tonight, I taped it for you!" but in reality that would never happen.

[Actaeon]

Originally Posted by CC1

If a bunch of libs with an attitude showed up trying to crash the AMC meeting I would be the first in line to haul their buts out of that room!!!

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You always were one to tussle with conjunctions ........ ... BUT you can't help it.

[Old Paths]

Originally Posted by CC1

Opie,

That is a good question. I think I actually answered it in an early post on this thread.

I have not visited the AMC meeting previously for precisely the reason you mentioned even though one year Pianoman and I came as close as the mall next door when we thoug'ht we were meeting some brethern to eat but no one showed up.

Rightly or wrongly I did use the invitation of the Elder as the reason to come. I thought about it a lot and did so for several reasons.

First I have always been able to focus on the great things I have in common with all stripes of Oneness Pentecostal believers when visiting different meetings and always enjoy lifting up the Lord with other people who love him. Because of that I knew that I would not be a "hindering" spirit or presence there.

As you know I am fascinated by Oneness Pentecostalism and enjoy studying it. I do that by attending various meetings, listening to CD's of sermons, watching webcasts, and obviously interaction on this forum and it's predecessors. The best way to study it is to experience it first hand.

It could be argued that I "passed myself off as a conservative Pentecostal minister" but I don't see it that way. I had an invitation to come as a guest which I accepted. I respected the dress code, etc. I partricipated fully in the worship with much hand clapping and hearty "amens" (including where I could in the sermon - mostly in the first 35 minutes as you can imagine). That participation was not an act but heartfelt.

If there had not been an exttended altar service after the two hour sermon and I had not had to leave and had been there for the dismissel my plan was to simply shake the hand of the only two people I would recognize there, Elders Epley and Groce, see if I could meet Sister Alvear, then quietly and quickly leave. I did not want to take away from the fellowship of like minded brethern and I certainly would have never passed myself off as a conservative preacher.

I would like to hear the other sermons from the conference and even if I never go again and just hear AMC sermons online or on CD, having been there I have a better idea of what it is like.

I meant no disrespect to the meeting, organizers, etc and hope I did not bring any harm to anyones reputation.

Thanks for the reply.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Old Paths

Thanks for the reply.

Opie,

By the way, just in case a spirit of discernment prevailed and DP had called me out as one of those scumbag compromising liberals* I had a plan.

I was going to tell him STEADFAST sent me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


* Disclaimer for OGIA. I am in no way saying that DP said the words "scumbag, compromising liberals". That verbage is simply my interpretation and understanding of those of his persuasion's view of people like me and I have heard similar language used to describe us. Please do not post your usual tirade about me. Go get a life.

[OGIA]

Originally Posted by CC1

* Disclaimer for OGIA. I am in no way saying that DP said the words "scumbag, compromising liberals".

I don't know that I could disagree if he had.

Go get a life.

Will do! I'll see if they've got an extra one for cheap, too.

[Old Paths]

Originally Posted by CC1

Opie,

By the way, just in case a spirit of discernment prevailed and DP had called me out as one of those scumbag compromising liberals* I had a plan.

I was going to tell him STEADFAST sent me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


* Disclaimer for OGIA. I am in no way saying that DP said the words "scumbag, compromising liberals". That verbage is simply my interpretation and understanding of those of his persuasion's view of people like me and I have heard similar language used to describe us. Please do not post your usual tirade about me. Go get a life.

CC1

When I was young man the word "scumbag" was considered vulgar and inappropriate and I don't think that I have ever heard a preacher use the term "scumbag".

[Just a Shepherd]

After reading about Danny Perdue or Denny Perdew or whoever he is this week, I was tempted to tell of my impression of him at a youth service once, but I won't.

I won't because once upon a time I went on a "holy rampage" at a church where I insulted the pastor, his wife, the visiting evangelist, and another visiting minister. It is still today the most humiliating and embarrassing thing I have ever done as a minister.

I feel for Bro. P. because I remember the days before God dealt with me about humility and grace. And about loving people more than loving standards. My heroes were always men who could prove how "tough" they were by speaking the "truth" in an offensive and reckless way and doing it all in an attitude of "I don't care what anybody thinks of me." (Nevermind all this toughness is mostly displayed behind the doors of closed meetings or in safe church services). My favorite saying was always "I don't care if I get invited back..." yada yada yada.

It wasn't until a few years later under the ministry of a man in Texas considered by many to be liberal, that God began to show me the necessity of mercy and truth. I realized that these "holy" tirades are in the spirit, but not the Holy Spirit. Jesus addressed the same issue in Luke 9:55 when he told James and John "Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of." "For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save."

This attitude has been the biggest hurdle to face in my walk with God. Namely, God's people doing ungodly things in the name of God. The Bible says "You will know them by their fruits." Love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, and temperance. Any preacher not exhibiting these traits in the pulpit is not operating in the Holy Ghost, period.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Just a Shepherd

After reading about Danny Perdue or Denny Perdew or whoever he is this week, I was tempted to tell of my impression of him at a youth service once, but I won't.

I won't because once upon a time I went on a "holy rampage" at a church where I insulted the pastor, his wife, the visiting evangelist, and another visiting minister. It is still today the most humiliating and embarrassing thing I have ever done as a minister.

I feel for Bro. P. because I remember the days before God dealt with me about humility and grace. And about loving people more than loving standards. My heroes were always men who could prove how "tough" they were by speaking the "truth" in an offensive and reckless way and doing it all in an attitude of "I don't care what anybody thinks of me." (Nevermind all this toughness is mostly displayed behind the doors of closed meetings or in safe church services). My favorite saying was always "I don't care if I get invited back..." yada yada yada.

It wasn't until a few years later under the ministry of a man in Texas considered by many to be liberal, that God began to show me the necessity of mercy and truth. I realized that these "holy" tirades are in the spirit, but not the Holy Spirit. Jesus addressed the same issue in Luke 9:55 when he told James and John "Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of." "For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save."

This attitude has been the biggest hurdle to face in my walk with God. Namely, God's people doing ungodly things in the name of God. The Bible says "You will know them by their fruits." Love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, and temperance. Any preacher not exhibiting these traits in the pulpit is not operating in the Holy Ghost, period.

LIke Jesus-John-Paul????????????????