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Michael The Disciple · #**191** 02-23-2013, 05:27 PM

Having said that, I would also take Houston's advice, that is, don't be quick to label yourself Trinitarian or Oneness. Labels tend to force us into a corner.Just be a radical disciple for Jesus Christ, grow in Christ.

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Michael The Disciple · #**192** 02-23-2013, 05:29 PM

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And the above post is an issue that many will not grasp. What of those who do not agree with Oneness doctrinally? Are they lost? If they are, then why does God pour out of the Holy Spirit so mightily, with great and awesome signs and wonders following? If God pouring out of the Holy Spirit just for these people to be deceived? If the right doctrine on every point is so important, than surely God does not think so. He has people of many beliefs, but they are His.

Are Jehovah Witness Gods people? If not why?

FlamingZword · #**193** 02-25-2013, 12:13 PM

In his name (My Name)
Witnesses ASV Testimony
Peter Acts 2:38 in the name of Jesus Christ (His Name, singular)
Peter Acts 10:48 in the name of Jesus Christ (his Name, singular)
Phillip Acts 8:16 into the name of the Lord Jesus (his Name, singular)
Paul Acts 19:5 into the name of the Lord Jesus (his Name, singular)
Ananias Acts 22 his name (His Name, singular)
Jesus Luke 24:54 in his name (His Name, singular)
Jesus Mark 16:17 in my name (his name, singular)

In the Trinity
Witness Testimony
Matthew 28:19 "In the Name of The Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost"
(The Name, singular)

Seriously we have all these witness and let us think for a moment that Luke And Mark are just as valid ending or part of the last commission of Jesus Christ.

It is obvious from Mark and Luke that Jesus did say in my name.
They all three are reporting the same event.

If not, then we need to change Mark and Luke to say in the trinity.
Think for a moment and make the connection.

The whole New Testament in all places is arguing against the traditional ending in Matthew, if you do no believe me, search the scriptures; for they are that testify to what I assert.

TGBTG · #**194** 02-26-2013, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by FlamingZword

In his name (My Name)
Witnesses ASV Testimony
Peter Acts 2:38 in the name of Jesus Christ (His Name, singular)
Peter Acts 10:48 in the name of Jesus Christ (his Name, singular)
Phillip Acts 8:16 into the name of the Lord Jesus (his Name, singular)
Paul Acts 19:5 into the name of the Lord Jesus (his Name, singular)
Ananias Acts 22 his name (His Name, singular)
Jesus Luke 24:54 in his name (His Name, singular)
Jesus Mark 16:17 in my name (his name, singular)

In the Trinity
Witness Testimony
Matthew 28:19 "In the Name of The Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost"
(The Name, singular)

Seriously we have all these witness and let us think for a moment that Luke And Mark are just as valid ending or part of the last commission of Jesus Christ.

It is obvious from Mark and Luke that Jesus did say in my name.
They all three are reporting the same event.

If not, then we need to change Mark and Luke to say in the trinity.
Think for a moment and make the connection.

The whole New Testament in all places is arguing against the traditional ending in Matthew, if you do no believe me, search the scriptures; for they are that testify to what I assert.

The problem arises only if one DOES NOT believe that there is ONE singular name for the Father, Son, and the HolySpirit.
If I believe it's just ONE name, then I see Matthew's account as just a different rendering of the statement and not a contradiction.

So do you believe there are three names (or authorities) spoken of in Matt 28:19?

seekerman · #**195** 02-26-2013, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Are Jehovah Witness Gods people? If not why?

Of course they are. Why wouldn't they be?

TGBTG · #**196** 02-26-2013, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Are Jehovah Witness Gods people? If not why?

Nope, they ain't born again. They do not believe in the DEITY of Christ. (Matt 16:28 is what the church is built upon)

seekerman · #**197** 02-26-2013, 09:40 AM

One cannot properly discuss Matt 28:19 unless Matt 28:18 is also included. Why is Matt 28:18 seldom, if ever, referenced by those wishing to change Matt 28:19?

Mat 28:18 And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.

Who gave Jesus all authority, the Father, the Son or the Holy Ghost? The correct answer, per scripture, is His own Father gave Him authority.....

Joh 17:1 Jesus spoke these things; and lifting up His eyes to heaven, He said, "Father, the hour has come; glorify Your Son, that the Son may glorify You, 2 even as You gave Him authority over all flesh, that to all whom You have given Him, He may give eternal life.

seekerman · #**198** 02-26-2013, 09:44 AM

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Nope, they ain't born again. They do not believe in the DEITY of Christ. (Matt 16:28 is what the church is built upon)

No, the Church is not built upon the deity of Christ. One need not believe in the deity of Christ for salvation.

Mat 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

I'm not sure how that relates to the view that one must believe Jesus is deity/God in order to be saved. Usually folks reference John 8:24 in an attempt to prove that one must believe Jesus is deity in order to be saved.

TGBTG · #**199** 02-26-2013, 10:09 AM

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No, the Church is not built upon the deity of Christ. One need not believe in the deity of Christ for salvation.

Mat 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

I'm not sure how that relates to the view that one must believe Jesus is deity/God in order to be saved. Usually folks reference John 8:24 in an attempt to prove that one must believe Jesus is deity in order to be saved.

Shoulda' been Matt 16:18

Matt 16
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

John 5
17 But Jesus answered them, “My Father is working until now, and I am working.”
18 This was why the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

Son of God = rock upon which church is built (Matt 16:18)
Son of God = equal with God (John 5:18)

seekerman · #**200** 02-26-2013, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by TGBTG

Shoulda' been Matt 16:18

Matt 16
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

John 5
17 But Jesus answered them, “My Father is working until now, and I am working.”
18 This was why the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

Son of God = rock upon which church is built (Matt 16:18)
Son of God = equal with God (John 5:18)

I don't see anything in those scriptures where one must believe Jesus is God in order to be saved. No doubt the rock on which the Church is built is Jesus and no doubt Jesus was made equal to God by His own God and Father (Phil 2:6-11). Nothing there about the requirement that one must believe Jesus is deity though.