Why I Am A Futurist

[Sean]

No judgement involved as long as you dont read the continuation of the passage in 1 Thes. 5.
The following is a previous post that shows 1 Thes. 4, continuing into chapter 5....





Lets see if Paul in 1 Thes. 4 and 5 was quoting Jesus about Matt. 24(also 25).....



Paul quotes what Jesus already spoke of prior(notice "WE SAY" as in the Apostles say, not just Paul)

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.(common knowledge)


The catching away parallel...

Matt 24:40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

1 Thes. 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.


The thief parallel.....

42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.


1 Thes. 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.

2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.




The drunken servant parallel....

46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.

47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.

48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;

49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;

50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,

51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

1 Thes. 5:5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.(dont forget the "sleeping 5 virgins" of Matt 25 also)

Notice the SEQUENCIAL parallels of the 2 passages.

Accidental?

I dont think so.

[Sean]

Matthew 24:27

27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west(instantaneously) so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.(instantaneously)


Rev. 22:
12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be....

20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

My point is not that some of your A. D. 70 fulfillment is wrong, but that you are taking some things literally and some things figuratively and you do it to support your beliefs. When you say the Lord has returned in A. D. 70 any futurists is going to miss what you really believe. Although you are disagreeing about Matthew you don't really disagree about it being as a thief in the night as in sudden and unexpectedly. The resurrection I'm saying. I'm trying to see the common ground.

Fair enough. But the coming in Matthew 24 is only in destruction not resurrection. And no verses refer to the resurrection in that others either. But as far as whether coming is literal or not, I'm getting my views based upon what the bible says about the term in the passages i cited. I can't see a physical return in Matthew 10, 16 or 23. It's not that i choose to believe one tHing is physical and the other isn't. It's just that he physically never came with some of them having not yet tasted death, but yet he said he'd come then. Same with Matthew 21:40. He said he'd come and take the kingdom away from the Pharisees and give it to another nation. That wasn't a physical coming either. But yet he called it his coming. So i accept it and it's ramifications.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Fair enough. But the coming in Matthew 24 is only in destruction not resurrection. And no verses refer to the resurrection in that others either. But as far as whether coming is literal or not, I'm getting my views based upon what the bible says about the term in the passages i cited. I can't see a physical return in Matthew 10, 16 or 23. It's not that i choose to believe one tHing is physical and the other isn't. It's just that he physically never came with some of them having not yet tasted death, but yet he said he'd come then. Same with Matthew 21:40. He said he'd come and take the kingdom away from the Pharisees and give it to another nation. That wasn't a physical coming either. But yet he called it his coming. So i accept it and it's ramifications.

[good samaritan]

So in essence we are all futurists in that we all await a future coming of Jesus Christ to bring His kingdom into greater relationship to Himself and to judge the wicked of the world. This has been a great discussion.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

So in essence we are all futurists in that we all await a future coming of Jesus Christ to bring His kingdom into greater relationship to Himself and to judge the wicked of the world. This has been a great discussion.

Yes, ìn essence. Thanks for your thoughts.

[good samaritan]

I did try to answer by what I meant but I will try to get my thoughts together and answer here shortly. Could give me an overview of where you stand on the subject?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

I did try to answer by what I meant but I will try to get my thoughts together and answer here shortly. Could give me an overview of where you stand on the subject?

Thank you so much, and thank you for your kindness in your reply.

Revelation 1:1 indicates that the author is telling the readers that the revelation is being brought to John by a messenger due to the events would soon take place. In Revelation 1:3 the reader is then told that they will be blessed who obeys its contents because the "time" was "near". In Genesis 27:41 the same language is employed by the writer to tell the reader that Esau was waiting to kill Jacob, but the days of mourning for his father were at hand, after those days would pass then he would kill his brother Jacob. Again, we have the term "at hand" indicating closeness of an event.

If God's Thousand Day Clock is the issue here, then how does it work with the above verses? No day is mentioned, but the reader is told the events will take place shortly and that time was at hand? We sit at 2,000 years later from this documents writings. But anyway, I await your explanation. Thank you again.

[good samaritan]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Thank you so much, and thank you for your kindness in your reply.

Revelation 1:1 indicates that the author is telling the readers that the revelation is being brought to John by a messenger due to the events would soon take place. In Revelation 1:3 the reader is then told that they will be blessed who obeys its contents because the "time" was "near". In Genesis 27:41 the same language is employed by the writer to tell the reader that Esau was waiting to kill Jacob, but the days of mourning for his father were at hand, after those days would pass then he would kill his brother Jacob. Again, we have the term "at hand" indicating closeness of an event.

If God's Thousand Day Clock is the issue here, then how does it work with the above verses? No day is mentioned, but the reader is told the events will take place shortly and that time was at hand? We sit at 2,000 years later from this documents writings. But anyway, I await your explanation. Thank you again.

Do you think that Revelation events took place in 70 A.D.?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

Do you think that Revelation events took place in 70 A.D.?

Huh?