The preacher CC1 made reference to is not in any organization. He has built a church from zero to about 200 folks from drug heads and folks deep in sin NOT move-ins from across town. Has a beautiful facility and supports missions heavily. He and I do not necessarily agree on this subject but as those on this forum has stated the dangers of the internet he has tried to limit that intrusion in his church.
Brother RC you amaze me sometimes with your arguments! All it takes is one hit of cocaine and many are addicts. All drug addicts in fact started with just "one" hit, including alcohol and cigarets. And while I am on my way out the door right now, I will gladly come back later and address the sexual/physical abuse issue you raised, because you are definitely wrong on those points.
lol, yes, there are some who take one hit and are addicts...
but there are just as many who take a hit and it barely affects them... overstating the danger of drugs is just as dangerous to our kids as understating the dangers of drugs (or pretending they don't exist)...
and I'd love to hear these examples of promotion of physical/sexual abuse...
The preacher CC1 made reference to is not in any organization. He has built a church from zero to about 200 folks from drug heads and folks deep in sin NOT move-ins from across town. Has a beautiful facility and supports missions heavily. He and I do not necessarily agree on this subject but as those on this forum has stated the dangers of the internet he has tried to limit that intrusion in his church.
Glad I read to the end of the thread before responding as I see that you addressed the point that the AMC preacher I was speaking of is not UPC.
While I do not agree with the man's applications and conclusions I really enjoyed the first 45 minutes of his two hour sermon and all of his singing! He has a great singing voice.
Glad I read to the end of the thread before responding as I see that you addressed the point that the AMC preacher I was speaking of is not UPC.
While I do not agree with the man's applications and conclusions I really enjoyed the first 45 minutes of his two hour sermon and all of his singing! He has a great singing voice.
He is also one of the finest Christian gentlemen you'll ever hope to meet. I have known him for close to 25 years now. He has done a tremendous job (with God's help, of course) of building a revival church.
Larry Booker once said of him, "He would not only die for this message, I'm afraid he'd KILL for it, as well!" It was tongue-in-cheek, of course, but it helps explain a little about his demeanor. He is passionate about his love for God, for the members of the church he pastors, for the lost AND for his hatred of sin and worldliness.
As I said, he's a great guy.
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"Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has no heart; and
any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains."
Winston Churchill
He is also one of the finest Christian gentlemen you'll ever hope to meet. I have known him for close to 25 years now. He has done a tremendous job (with God's help, of course) of building a revival church.
Larry Booker once said of him, "He would not only die for this message, I'm afraid he'd KILL for it, as well!" It was tongue-in-cheek, of course, but it helps explain a little about his demeanor. He is passionate about his love for God, for the members of the church he pastors, for the lost AND for his hatred of sin and worldliness.
As I said, he's a great guy.
SOMEONE send me a PM and tell me who this preacher is. I won't reveal the name publicly or privately here.
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Fighting the Devil NOT my brother.
Yes, but Timothy's lack of circumcission was a distraction to the Jews he was ministering to at the time.
There is a big difference in conforming one's life so that one can minister to a particular group of people and being told you must conform to particular standards because a group one isn't ministering to says so.
It is the difference between Paul saying I become all things as much as morally possible to win the lost (1 Corinthians 9:19-21) and yet also saying don't let others put you in bondage (book of Galatians) and calling extra-biblical teachings the doctrine of devils (1 Timothy 4:1-3).
I thought this was worthy of bumping.
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I've gone and done it now! I'm on Facebook!!!
I think the passing of the resolution makes the UPC seem a very inconsistent org. They can now advertise on the devil box, but it is a sin to own one.
Truth is that TV is pervasive within the UPC so the inconsistence is to act like it is an uncontrollable evil when the major of the membership have TV in their homes. IMO
Further, we are called to live Godly in this present world. Therefore, having a TV for the believer carries the responsibility to do so and still live Godly. Does it make it harder to do so? Not any harder than it is "to be angry and sin not". True relationship with Jesus provides the resources to be "dead to sin."
If sin is nutured in the heart, the heart will find a way to feed that sin. So, teaching should be to mature the pew not to control.
__________________ For it is written, "As I live, says the Lord every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall give praise to God. (Romans 14:11- NASB)
Truth is that TV is pervasive within the UPC so the inconsistence is to act like it is an uncontrollable evil when the major of the membership have TV in their homes. IMO
Further, we are called to live Godly in this present world. Therefore, having a TV for the believer carries the responsibility to do so and still live Godly. Does it make it harder to do so? Not any harder than it is "to be angry and sin not". True relationship with Jesus provides the resources to be "dead to sin."
If sin is nutured in the heart, the heart will find a way to feed that sin. So, teaching should be to mature the pew not to control.
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__________________ For it is written, "As I live, says the Lord every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall give praise to God. (Romans 14:11- NASB)
"Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has no heart; and
NOT my brother.
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