Do You Believe In Women Preachers?

[diakonos]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

Yes. But is this verse referring to tithes?

Did they put tithes on the altar?

sure

[Evang.Benincasa]

How did this thread become a tithing thread?

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by evang.benincasa

how did this thread become a tithing thread?

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[consapente89]

Originally Posted by consapente89

Does a woman preacher desire or attempt to have authority over a man?

Perhaps a better question may be, do you see a lady preacher in a position of authority over men?

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[Nicodemus1968]

Originally Posted by consapente89

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A women preacher is in rebellion to the word. An older women is instructed to teach (not preach) the younger women. You can look it up on your time, yet Paul instructed them not to speak in the church, to learn in silence. Their husbands were suppose to teach them. A women that gets up and preaches, she is telling the church she heard from God and has a message for them. Paul told the women not to usurp the authority over a man! On purpose or not she is putting herself in a position of rebellion, because rather than being submitted she is in authority. So, if a women preaches and says she heard from God, did she?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by consapente89

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Submit yourself to them who have rule over you.

[Nicodemus1968]

Originally Posted by diakonos

1 Corinthians 9:13-14 KJV

Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?
Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

Acts 6:2-4
[2] Then the twelve called the multitude of the disciples unto them, and said, It is not reason that we should leave the word of God, and serve tables. [3] Wherefore, brethren, look ye out among you seven men of honest report, full of the Holy Ghost and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business. [4] But we will give ourselves continually to prayer, and to the ministry of the word.


You imagine if a Pastor or anyone in the 5 fold ministry said this, they would be called greedy, accused of taking from the poor, ill use the word this one gentlemen likes to use... scandalous!

If other Pastors or anyone in the 5 fold ministry want to work 40+ hours a weeks at a worldly occupation that fine for them. I have a couple works started and I do work (HVAC) because its not to the point to allow me to go full time. Understanding, that I limit my self to 20 hours a week. To other Pastors or the 5 fold ministry that would rather work long hours for “the man” I usually would say, that’s your problem not mine. The pastor I was under when I was a saint in the church, I supported his ministry with tithe and offering, every week, every year for 17 years. I believed that he shouldn't be working all these hours and then get off and try to attend the needs of the church. If some believe your Pastor should, that already says a lot about you, just saying.

1 Timothy 6:10
[10] For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

I do believe the Old Covenant dealt with the natural man, and the New Testament deals with the spiritual, deals with the heart. Is money physical, tangible, yet it is, yet the love of it he says is the root of all evil. So loving physical rewards, money, etc. will have spiritual implications. It makes you wonder why people are so acid against giving to a pastor, prophet, teacher etc to support the ministry God called them to, claiming is unscriptural for these man to receive money to help support them. Yet, I know people like this, they’ll be in debt with car loans, credit card debit etc. they’ll feed there unnatural desire for worldly pleasures, and sacrifice to do so. Scandalous....

Acts 18:3
[3] And because he was of the same craft, he abode with them, and wrought: for by their occupation they were tentmakers.

Like I said, I have no problem with the five fold minister working. Did Paul do that everywhere he went? It talks about him working so he wasn't a burden to the church, ok, that’s fine. What’s the point? Please understand that Paul is the one that instructed the church, not to muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. Some may say, that’s not money, cold hard cash. Then I guess, go and take your Pastor or anyone for that matter in the 5 fold ministry and and take them out to eat, or buy them groceries until they finish. The ox was allowed to eat as much as he wanted as long as he was working. A man stated tithe could also be land, well if that’s your conviction then go and give your local assembly land that you purchased with cold hard cash. Or sell your property and give it to the 5 fold ministry like in Acts 5, just don't lie to the Holy Ghost.

John 21:3
[3] Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing. They say unto him, We also go with thee. They went forth, and entered into a ship immediately; and that night they caught nothing.

You ever wonder why Peter said “I go a fishing?”

Does the Bible ever say that Peter went back to fishing, that was job prior to the ministry. Perhaps, (this is my OPINION) he was the Pastor as Jerusalem or to the jews and perhaps Paul had to work at times because he was an apostle. Paul traveled a lot, went to places where there was not enough supply, and he did what he had to do. Yet, I don't read where Peter and the other elders had to work, that may be a difference.

If you or anyone doesn’t want to give tithe to the local assembly, and believe its unscriptural to do so. That’s fine with me, you don't offend me, that’s your issue not mine. I live what I preach, the church is not a money making business, its a soul making business, and I will continue to give everything I have to make that possible. As far as tithe is concerned, do what you feel!

[consapente89]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

A women preacher is in rebellion to the word. An older women is instructed to teach (not preach) the younger women. You can look it up on your time, yet Paul instructed them not to speak in the church, to learn in silence. Their husbands were suppose to teach them. A women that gets up and preaches, she is telling the church she heard from God and has a message for them. Paul told the women not to usurp the authority over a man! On purpose or not she is putting herself in a position of rebellion, because rather than being submitted she is in authority. So, if a women preaches and says she heard from God, did she?

I mostly agree with you. I was mainly asking this of Sister Alvear who obviously believes that women are permitted to preach. To her, is a lady who is "called to preach" in a position of authority over men?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Are you saying a woman preacher is a Jezebel? If so I disagree with you 100 percent. I was raised around women preachers...Ladies such as Sister Agnes Holmes, Sister Rita Dawson, Sister Mary Williams and others tat were Godly women.
Jezebel, is the epitome of evil...You may not agree with women in the ministry and that is your choice however to associate them with Jezebel is degrading and not Christ like...Yes I have seen ladies that were out of place but at the same time I have seen men out of their place....However even out of place does not mean a Jezebel and an Ahab....

Sister Alvear., I don't think anyone has a problem with women in the ministry. Because we have scripture for older women teaching the younger women. But as far as women leading young married men and older married men we don't have any Biblical evidence.

Also I don't think a female preacher is a Jezebel or that her husband is crying over Naboth's vineyard.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by consapente89

I mostly agree with you.

What 1/4 didn't you agree with?