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[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

You know after what you just typed someone is going to catch the above "and least". Isn't it supposed to say, "at least"?

I've done that before though. It always comes back to bite you.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Wouldn't someone notice it says that it also includes the neuter hen? This translation in the Interlinear uses Hen, but then references Strong's 1520

1520 [e]
hen
ἕν
one
Adj-NNS
http://interlinearbible.org/john/10-30.htm

So, what are you saying the verse is supposed to say?

back in the day many just had a strongs and saw the first word 'heis' followed by these def for heis used in the kjv

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Wouldn't someone notice it says that it also includes the neuter hen? This translation in the Interlinear uses Hen, but then references Strong's 1520

1520 [e]
hen
ἕν
one
Adj-NNS
http://interlinearbible.org/john/10-30.htm

So, what are you saying the verse is supposed to say?

hen is most usually used to convey unity, but not always but most often. here there are two nouns and a plural verb so one in unity is probably what the intent was

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Whole Hearted

Ma'am I am not a weirdo just a preacher of the only saving gospel.

The only saving gospel? Which saved no one for 1900 years.

On the other hand the gospel of Jesus, has continued on through the ages.

I get a kick out of these guys who claim everyone in history who doesn't subscribe to their soteirology is damned. Knowing/believing in Jesus isn't enough, you have to do it their way.

All the while the men they ........ translated the Bible they preach from (and shed their blood in the process), wrote the classic hymns in their hymnals, wrote the commentaries they read,and did more just in the live of two lost men (Luther and Wesley) for the futherance of the gospel, Christianity, and society than all the oneness pentecostals combined. But none of them were saved anyway. Just a bunch of unregenerate heathens and pagans.

Christianity has always been a narrow way, and granted American Christianity is a joke, but you guys make the way so narrow that it is akin to walking a tightrope of dental floss. And just one little slip up (like wearing a pair of pants, shorts, or trimming an 1/8 inch of hair, or even miscalculating tithes payments by a dime is enough for one to fall off the rope and descend into eternal hell.

Your system is the creation of man, not the only saving gospel of Jesus Christ.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

hen is most usually used to convey unity, but not always but most often. here there are two nouns and a plural verb so one in unity is probably what the intent was

Looks like the same thing to me, Prax.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Looks like the same thing to me, Prax.

same thing as what?

the difference between one in number or one in unity?

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

The only saving gospel? Which saved no one for 1900 years.

On the other hand the gospel of Jesus, has continued on through the ages.

I get a kick out of these guys who claim everyone in history who doesn't subscribe to their soteirology is damned. Knowing/believing in Jesus isn't enough, you have to do it their way.

All the while the men they ........ translated the Bible they preach from (and shed their blood in the process), wrote the classic hymns in their hymnals, wrote the commentaries they read,and did more just in the live of two lost men (Luther and Wesley) for the futherance of the gospel, Christianity, and society than all the oneness pentecostals combined. But none of them were saved anyway. Just a bunch of unregenerate heathens and pagans.

Christianity has always been a narrow way, and granted American Christianity is a joke, but you guys make the way so narrow that it is akin to walking a tightrope of dental floss. And just one little slip up (like wearing a pair of pants, shorts, or trimming an 1/8 inch of hair, or even miscalculating tithes payments by a dime is enough for one to fall off the rope and descend into eternal hell.

Your system is the creation of man, not the only saving gospel of Jesus Christ.

Sounds a LOT like Jesus:
Joh_14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Joh 10:1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.


I could go on but apparently YOUR gospel has no soteriology...

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

same thing as what?

the difference between one in number or one in unity?

Being one is unity. I didn't have to study hen or heis to know that. I guess I don't get the point. All 20 translations I viewed simply say one. Why is it important to stress the "one in unity" when Jesus is God?

If I stress "one in unity" it is like I am trying to unite them in purpose, but divide them into persons.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Being one is unity. I didn't have to study hen or heis to know that. I guess I don't get the point. All 20 translations I viewed simply say one. Why is it important to stress the "one in unity" when Jesus is God?

If I stress "one in unity" it is like I am trying to unite them in purpose, but divide them into persons.

OPs usually have used this to argue Father and Son are the same person (one in number) as opposed to Father and son being united

one in unity is not the same as one in unity'

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

OPs usually have used this to argue Father and Son are the same person (one in number) as opposed to Father and son being united

one in unity is not the same as one in unity'

"Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father! So why are you asking me to show him to you?" John 14:9

Are you saying that flesh and Spirit were united?