Why I Am A Futurist - Page 21

Evang.Benincasa · #1 02-05-2015, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Thank you so much, and thank you for your kindness in your reply.

Revelation 1:1 indicates that the author is telling the readers that the revelation is being brought to John by a messenger due to the events would soon take place. In Revelation 1:3 the reader is then told that they will be blessed who obeys its contents because the "time" was "near". In Genesis 27:41 the same language is employed by the writer to tell the reader that Esau was waiting to kill Jacob, but the days of mourning for his father were at hand, after those days would pass then he would kill his brother Jacob. Again, we have the term "at hand" indicating closeness of an event.

If God's Thousand Day Clock is the issue here, then how does it work with the above verses? No day is mentioned, but the reader is told the events will take place shortly and that time was at hand? We sit at 2,000 years later from this documents writings. But anyway, I await your explanation. Thank you again.

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Michael The Disciple · #2 02-05-2015, 08:57 PM

So be honest Dom,

If you DO believe the resurrection came in 70ad tell us. If you deny Jesus came for the Church in 70 ad tell us that.

Evang.Benincasa · #3 02-05-2015, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

So be honest Dom,

If you DO believe the resurrection came in 70ad tell us. If you deny Jesus came for the Church in 70 ad tell us that.

I asked you questions first, and you refused. Not only did you refuse but you totally ignored the post. You are supposed to have the truth concerning Post Tribulation. Want me to bump my questions forward?

Michael The Disciple · #4 02-06-2015, 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

I asked you questions first, and you refused. Not only did you refuse but you totally ignored the post. You are supposed to have the truth concerning Post Tribulation. Want me to bump my questions forward?

Im not hiding what I believe. I believe in the post tribulation rapture of the Church of Jesus after the events in the book of Revelation. I am not ashamed to say what I believe but apparently you are ashamed of what you believe.

And I cant blame you I would be ashamed to admit it if I were teaching that Jesus came in 70ad and the resurrection had already passed.

mfblume · #5 02-06-2015, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Im not hiding what I believe. I believe in the post tribulation rapture of the Church of Jesus after the events in the book of Revelation. I am not ashamed to say what I believe but apparently you are ashamed of what you believe.

And I cant blame you I would be ashamed to admit it if I were teaching that Jesus came in 70ad and the resurrection had already passed.

The guns always come out blazing when someone is detected to begin to see some things we are saying, all in hopes of discouraging it.

Michael The Disciple · #6 02-06-2015, 02:57 PM

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The guns always come out blazing when someone is detected to begin to see some things we are saying, all in hopes of discouraging it.

What nonsense. Im just trying to get someone to tell us EXACTLY what their belief IS. In this case if HE or THEY admits to what they are trying to push on others they can know what they are getting into.

Example. I believe in the doctrine of the resurrection commonly known as "soul sleep". Also the doctrine that sinners die in the Gehenna fire. If someone asked me if I believe these things I would not hesitate in affirming.

I started THIS thread at least partly because the AFF is now full of threads taken over by Preterists of some form to where a future understanding of end time prophecy was hardly present here. So my
opening thread was just to let anyone interested know that its still legal on the forum to believe in future prophecy.

So if "guns are blazing" it is because its almost if not impossible to now mention prophecy without you, Dom or others taking over the thread.

AND IT HAS NOW HAPPENED AGAIN.

But it is what it is. We all are allowed to post where we please. If a thread comes down to all Prets or pre tribs patting each other on the back I can chose to exit it even if I started it in the first place.

And furthermore how is it that you who claim to believe in the future resurrection are so protective of Dom and his friends who you and I both know full well teach the faith destroying doctrine that Jesus Christ already came and the resurrection happened in 70ad?

Evang.Benincasa · #7 02-06-2015, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Im not hiding what I believe. I believe in the post tribulation rapture of the Church of Jesus after the events in the book of Revelation.

Wonderful, then you shouldn't have a problem answering some questions for me? You are the teacher, I am the student. Please, let's begin.

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

I am not ashamed to say what I believe but apparently you are ashamed of what you believe.

And I cant blame you I would be ashamed to admit it if I were teaching that Jesus came in 70ad and the resurrection had already passed.

Michael, therefore this is why a Eschatology giant like yourself will be so willing to spoon feed a Eschatological pygmy like myself.

So, please answer my questions

good samaritan · #8 02-05-2015, 09:04 PM

My thought is that numbers are just like creatures in the book of Revelation. I am not sure of what they literally are. I have not come to any conclusions on this subject, but for the fact of a future resurrection and judgement. I see A.D. 70 fulfillment in part, but then there are some things that I just don't see A.D. 70 meeting the criteria. Sure I could listen to people's explanation of this and that, but so far I don't feel content with anyone's observations on certain things.

mfblume · #9 02-05-2015, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by good samaritan

My thought is that numbers are just like creatures in the book of Revelation.

Exactly.

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I am not sure of what they literally are. I have not come to any conclusions on this subject, but for the fact of a future resurrection and judgement. I see A.D. 70 fulfillment in part, but then there are some things that I just don't see A.D. 70 meeting the criteria. Sure I could listen to people's explanation of this and that, but so far I don't feel content with anyone's observations on certain things.

Seek God for yourself about it and read. Be as objective as you can and cast aside any preconceived ideas, and really ask yourself what God is saying as though you were someone who never heard an interpretation before. It seems THAT IS A RARE GIFT to be able to do that nowadays.

But the key is to look to the rest of the bible for the pictures in Revelation.

Esaias · #10 02-06-2015, 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

Exactly.

Seek God for yourself about it and read. Be as objective as you can and cast aside any preconceived ideas, and really ask yourself what God is saying as though you were someone who never heard an interpretation before. It seems THAT IS A RARE GIFT to be able to do that nowadays.

But the key is to look to the rest of the bible for the pictures in Revelation.

How do two people do exactly that and come away with two very different conclusions?

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