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View Poll Results: Those who never heard - what happens?
All lost, no exceptions 4 36.36%
Some may be saved somehow 0 0%
Raised in Millennium with second chance to believe 0 0%
Everybody gets saved eventually 3 27.27%
Other (please explain) 4 36.36%
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Old 08-23-2016, 03:00 PM
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There are too many passages in the bible to allow for this universal reconciliation of all religions that can't be passed off as errors of translation and interpretation or interpolation.

It's wishful thinking at best.
Is that why there are entire branches of Christianity that embrace the same Bible who firmly believe it teaches Apocatastasis (universal reconciliation)?

Again, it is all in how it is interpreted by the reader. Another human "filter".
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Old 08-23-2016, 03:23 PM
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We will one day realize that what truly messes us up in life is the picture in our heads of how it should be.
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Old 08-23-2016, 03:25 PM
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Ant - other than your "opinion" what do you base your theology on?
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Old 08-23-2016, 03:46 PM
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Ant - other than your "opinion" what do you base your theology on?
Personal experience.

My faith isn't married to a comic book or even a college text book. Nor is my faith married to any ancient text filled with myth and ancient presupposition. I glean from all sources as far as my practice. But I speak of what I know intuitively, inherently. What I have experienced to be real through being near death and what I have experienced and witnessed among the "fundamentalists" of various religious traditions.

Do I need reference a book to prove that the ocean is real to one who has never seen it? Of course not. I've swam in it. I know it is real.
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Ant - other than your "opinion" what do you base your theology on?
Besides, what do you base your theology on? Let me guess, what you believe the Bible to teach. Is that not also an... opinion?

Blume is a Preterist. Is not that an "opinion" regarding how to interpret prophetic events?

All we have are opinions regarding various interpretations. And these opinions on various interpretations keep is debating well into the night sometimes, do they not?

Let's not fool ourselves into thinking that we have anything more than an opinion. Because if we do, we delude ourselves into believing an illusion we've created. And is that not, idolatry?
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First, while all religions contain some degree of divine truth, all religions are imperfect human expressions. So, in my opinion, each religion will leave the "fundamentalists" of their religion to a rather troubled afterlife. But the "spiritual" in every faith will intuitively sense the divine truths contained in not only their own faith tradition, but also in the faith traditions of others.

Second, how do you know I'm mistaken? Because your interpretation of an ancient "book" says that I'm mistaken? What makes your book, and your interpretation of it, more authoritative over other books? Because it claims to be? What about every other book's claim to be authoritative over your book and your interpretation of said book? And what makes your book authoritative over the personal experiences of countless life changing near death experiences? What makes your book more authoritative over the increasing shift in global consciousness to the oneness of all things?

I notice you failed to answer the question. I asked "How do you know?" and you simply repeated your claim.

So then, it is simply your opinion, based upon nothing (that you have explained, anyway).

All we have are opinions, beliefs, conclusions. Some are based upon careful examination of data, others are based upon wishful thinking, emotion, or some variation of group think accepted without critical examination.

Since you have provided no argumentation for your philosophy besides your own personal authority, which itself is unsubstantiated by anything other than your assertions as to what is and what is not true, and since many of your assertions are in fact both irrational and factually untrue, I see no reason whatsoever to give any credence at all to your personal flights of fancy.

I would suggest, though, that you investigate the claim of Christ's resurrection being an historical and documented event. "Why did the earliest Christians testify that He had resurrected and been seen by them? Were they lying? Were they hallucinating? Were they delusional? Mistaken? etc.

But that would of course require a willingness to go where the evidence leads, not lead the evidence where you want it to go - an often arduous task.
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The one who spoke those words not only abided in Christ, but he also abides in many many others. Indeed, he is THE WAY. And that way has appeared unto all men in various cultures, languages, and understandings. And he will always be THE WAY.
But those other"Gospels" are not what Paul preached . He gave us those words to test other faiths.
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Is that why there are entire branches of Christianity that embrace the same Bible who firmly believe it teaches Apocatastasis (universal reconciliation)?

Again, it is all in how it is interpreted by the reader. Another human "filter".
That can always be said when a person thinks the bible has errors. We need a foundation other than our own whims. The bible is a solid foundation. When errors are claimed in all holy books then the only foundation is the sand of our whims.
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We will one day realize that what truly messes us up in life is the picture in our heads of how it should be.
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Old 08-23-2016, 05:31 PM
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I notice you failed to answer the question. I asked "How do you know?" and you simply repeated your claim.
recognizing that all religion is man's attempts to reach God helped here. You have laws, rules, a council of men, dues, everything to suspect that you are engaged in a religion.
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