Daniel's 70th week

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Originally Posted by Esaias

Maybe its like this:

70 Weeks determined. But, an extra 38 years was given to serve as a potential reversal of the 38 years of wandering due to unbelief.

Perhaps the 70 Weeks' end aligned with a larger cycle that started with the Exodus, but because of the wilderness delay the final outcome was delayed a proportionate amount of time...?

Hmmmm

[Esaias]

Reviewing Numbers 14, God stated they would wander 40 years in the wilderness, "a day for a year" for each day the spies searched out the land.

This seems to indicate the wilderness wanderings were to be EXACTLY 40 years. Of course, the day they set out, and the day they returned, were parts of days likely reckoned as whole days, so it is possible that the first and last year of the wanderings could comprise parts of those years but reckoned as whole years.

I noticed, also, that they were allowed to see the Promised Land, but rejected it. Upon Christ's resurrection, the Sign (only sign to be given) of Messiah was given, Jesus hung around for about 40 days, allowing Israel to inspect Him. The spies searched 40 days, came back and gave the report, the people complained, rejecting it. Jesus was observed by His disciples for 40 days, who reported it to the nation (Acts 2) but the nation officially rejected their testimony.

The parallel is of course obvious, but one thing is different. The 40 years in the wilderness were designed as punishment to make sure all those 20 and up died before the Conquest began. Whereas the 40 years after the Cross appear to be a time of extended pardon giving Judeans time to repent.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Whereas the 40 years after the Cross appear to be a time of extended pardon giving Judeans time to repent.

In Numb 14, God was going to destroy Israel immediately, but Moses interceded and asked for pardon. They got 40 years to continue living.

At the Cross, Jesus asked for pardon for His crucifiers. They got 40 years until the city was destroyed.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Esaias

In Numb 14, God was going to destroy Israel immediately, but Moses interceded and asked for pardon. They got 40 years to continue living.

At the Cross, Jesus asked for pardon for His crucifiers. They got 40 years until the city was destroyed.

If Jesus died in 33 AD, the time to the destruction of Jerusalem is 37.5 years (rounded to 38, it was in the 38th year that Jerusalem fell). The wilderness wanderings may have included parts of 2 years, for a TOTAL ACTUAL time of 38 years, but rounded to 40 (partial years reckoned as full years). HOWEVER, there is no way I can see how to take the 37.5 actual years to AD 70, rounded to 38 (partial year reckoned as full year), and THEN round AGAIN to get 40 years.

BUT THEN I SAW THIS:

From what I can tell, the FIRST siege of Jerusalem by Babylon lasted 30 months to the fall of the city. The Roman siege lasted about 5 months to the fall of the city. The DIFFERENCE between the two is 2.5 years, which added to the 37.5 years from the cross comes to 40 years.

Not sure if that means much, but I can't help but suspect it is significant.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Esaias

If Jesus died in 33 AD, the time to the destruction of Jerusalem is 37.5 years (rounded to 38, it was in the 38th year that Jerusalem fell). The wilderness wanderings may have included parts of 2 years, for a TOTAL ACTUAL time of 38 years, but rounded to 40 (partial years reckoned as full years). HOWEVER, there is no way I can see how to take the 37.5 actual years to AD 70, rounded to 38 (partial year reckoned as full year), and THEN round AGAIN to get 40 years.

BUT THEN I SAW THIS:

From what I can tell, the FIRST siege of Jerusalem by Babylon lasted 30 months to the fall of the city. The Roman siege lasted about 5 months to the fall of the city. The DIFFERENCE between the two is 2.5 years, which added to the 37.5 years from the cross comes to 40 years.

Not sure if that means much, but I can't help but suspect it is significant.

Which means the time of Jerusalem's Roman siege was shortened compared to the first Babylonian siege. Now the questions are "is there any reason why the two time frames should be correlated producing an expectation of similar time frames?" and "does this have anything to do with Jesus saying the days would be shortened for the elect's sake?"

[Esaias]

Okay, my head is hurting from the math. I'll let some of y'all take a crack at this stuff for awhile.

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There is a certain link between the forty days of searching Canaan, and forty days Christ was alive after resurrecting, as well as forty years wandering and 40 years to destruction of Jerusalem. Just preached on that a few weeks ago. Great chat

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what's also interesting about the Seventy Times Seven aspect that's related to forgiveness, is there were 70 Sabbath years that Israel violated, and that is how many years they would be bound in Babylon. And Jesus said the word until, when he said you forgive until Seventy Times Seven. So another up weeks were determined. Probation

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

All this is in some far off future? Including Luke 21:20-24? That would necessitate a rebuilt temple complete with working legitimate priesthood?
Please prove this with book, chapter, and verse.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

What is the alternative? Christ already came? The resurrection already happened?