It is my conviction that to enter into the ministry, one must be subject to not only a pastor, but I am beginning to understand the role of an organization in the process or licensing and ordaining ministers.
There are too many self proclaimed pastors and preachers out there who were not called and as my friend CK said back in the day, has caused souls to be shipwrecked (thanks for that advice!)
Not saying you, Rico, aren't called or self proclaimed. I have no doubt you would handle the Word with excellency and skill.
But the organization and system is set up for accountability sake. It is to safeguard against a runaway spirit that just does what it wants.
When you wield power and authority to someone who is not ready or not ordained to have it it can be a dangerous thing.
Keep praying and seeking God, Dude! God will order your steps!
Love ya!
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It is my conviction that to enter into the ministry, one must be subject to not only a pastor, but I am beginning to understand the role of an organization in the process or licensing and ordaining ministers.
There are too many self proclaimed pastors and preachers out there who were not called and as my friend CK said back in the day, has caused souls to be shipwrecked (thanks for that advice!)
Not saying you, Rico, aren't called or self proclaimed. I have no doubt you would handle the Word with excellency and skill.
But the organization and system is set up for accountability sake. It is to safeguard against a runaway spirit that just does what it wants.
When you wield power and authority to someone who is not ready or not ordained to have it it can be a dangerous thing.
Keep praying and seeking God, Dude! God will order your steps!
That's quite obvious, but why is it that it's ok for you to speak for others (in fact, that's not what I was doing here, just stating my opinion on the matter, which isn't a crime here)? You did that same thing to me on the Hinn thread.
If you don't want unwelcome comments, PM those you'd rather hear from. Otherwise, put me on ignore, cause I'll be posting where I please.
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That's quite obvious, but why is it that it's ok for you to speak for others (in fact, that's not what I was doing here, just stating my opinion on the matter, which isn't a crime here)? You did that same thing to me on the Hinn thread.
If you don't want unwelcome comments, PM those you'd rather hear from. Otherwise, put me on ignore, cause I'll be posting where I please.
Barb,
Your guestion would be better directed toward Coonskinner. He has consistently provided words that you can find agreement with in your spirit. Please ask him to provide his interpretation.
IF my view troubles your spirit (causes much sighing), it should not be considered without a second or third witness.
If they (these rulers) are giving an account of MY LIFE, you and the Skinner of Coon are right in this whole matter, they are certainly folks who have the RULE in my life and I am commanded by scripture tor OBEY them. And when the scripture says, let every servant answer to his own master, SUBJECTs would answer to Pastors and Pastors would answer to CHRIST. Afterall, a man can not SERVE TWO masters.
and not only that...
these folks in Heb 13:17 have become my mediator between me and whoever they are giving this account to ABOUT me. If they are not in a role of mediator, what are they doing giving an account of my life to any one?
I reject this interpretation of the witness of Heb 13:17 as being faulty when considered in the larger witness of scripture and the clear witness that the man Christ Jesus is mediator between me and God.
These folks must give account for what they have been given and what they have done with what they have received. But they were not given SUBJECTs to have dominion over. They were given giftings, understandings, revelations, and authority over spiritual things.
Every servant that has received from God will give account for how they used what they have received.
Bro. Pew, respectfully, as I do NOT wish to be argumentative, had I wanted to ask Coonskinner, I would have done so. I did not because I am fairly certain of the response. Yes, much of what he writes I am in agreement with, hoever, that does not mean I cannot discuss a topic with someone with a dissenting view.
I asked YOU because the discussion has gone back in forth between us on this.
As for troubling my spirit...there are many things that trouble my spirit, but your opinion of pastors/authority does not "trouble" me. That is your opinion and you have every right to be wrong.
I will say again though that I think this subject has exceeded the complicated stage...just my humble and unlearned opinion.
As I haven't eaten since breakfast and feel the need to fix chicken tacos, I will leave this subject for a time. As the great General said, "I shall return," and in doing so, try to respond to some points you were making.
Bro. Pew, respectfully, as I do NOT wish to be argumentative, had I wanted to ask Coonskinner, I would have done so. I did not because I am fairly certain of the response. Yes, much of what he writes I am in agreement with, hoever, that does not mean I cannot discuss a topic with someone with a dissenting view.
I asked YOU because the discussion has gone back in forth between us on this.
As for troubling my spirit...there are many things that trouble my spirit, but your opinion of pastors/authority does not "trouble" me. That is your opinion and you have every right to be wrong.
I will say again though that I think this subject has exceeded the complicated stage...just my humble and unlearned opinion.
As I haven't eaten since breakfast and feel the need to fix chicken tacos, I will leave this subject for a time. As the great General said, "I shall return," and in doing so, try to respond to some points you were making.
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