End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11 - Page 210

rdp · #1 05-30-2015, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

I have no problem explaining any scripture concerning women in ministry....however it is a waste of time to those who believe different....

*There is no "believing different" - it could not possibly be clearer in God's Word. The "waste of time" is dealing with those who stubbornly plod along ignoring the exegetical facts, flow of the texts, syntax, context - & just straightforward reading of God's Word.

*Respectfully (& I mean that sincerely), it is rebellion & open defiance to crystal-clear God-Breathed Scripture...under the guise of "agreeing to disagree."

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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

a very good book on this subject was written by Pauline Tolstad many years ago. I do not know if it is still in print...

*The best book I've ever read on this topic is called the.....B-I-B-L-E

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*Next, the most in-depth exegetical work in existence today on this topic (& which has *never* been offered any real rebuttal) is found here: http://www.amazon.com/Women-Church-A.../dp/080102904X

*The next best books (& a very-very close tie with the above book) are found here:

http://www.amazon.com/Evangelical-Fe.../dp/1433532611

http://www.amazon.com/Evangelical-Fe.../dp/1581347340

http://www.amazon.com/Recovering-Bib.../dp/1433537125

**Here is a link to the innumerable exegetical articles on this topic from the Council of Biblical Manhood & Womanhood: http://cbmw.org/journal/

*In all seriousness, if *ANYONE* can read these books/articles & still believe in "women preachers/teachers" in the church...they are simply being 100% dishonest (of course, we've already seen much of that for many years in dealing with this topic).

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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

I am teaching a seminar next weekend on ladies in ministry.

*I honestly feel so sad for whoever is allowing you to do this. I mean this respectfully since you're my elder (age wise), but you have been shown your outright gross errors & misinformation for many years now...yet you just continue to plod along like it's not there - still pilfering the same outright misinformation?? Mind-boggling.

*One of about 50 examples I could post: You continue to state that the nouns translated "man" (ἀνδρός) & "woman" (γυναικὶ) in I Timothy 2.12 are "most often translated as 'husband' and 'wife'" (your words).

*Yet I have demonstrated to you over & over & over & over & over & over that this is 100% factually false. In fact, the polar opposite is true. The NASB (often called "The Scholars Bible") translates the Greek noun for "woman" used in I Tim. 2.12 as "wife" 84 times - but in every instance there are possessive markings, the article, or other syntactical markings (usually verbs) clearly denoting the marriage life (e.g., Mark 10.4 - I go into this in more detail below). In contrast, this same Greek noun is translated as merely "woman" in the NASB 130 times!

*The Greek noun translated "man" in I Tim. 2.12 is rendered as "husband" in the NASB 52 times. This same noun is translated simply as "man" (as it is in I Tim. 2.12) 158 times!

*And, for these nouns to be translated as "husband" or "wife," there have to be either (i) possessive markings such as either possessive pronouns or articular nouns, or (ii) other grammatical identifiers that the marriage life is in view (e.g., Mark 10.4 - εἰ ἔξεστιν ἀνδρὶ γυναῖκα ἀπολῦσαι; if it is lawful for a man [husband] to divorce a woman [his wife]).

*As Dr. Daniel Wallace told me personally (shall I repost the email here for everyone to see?): "none of this is going on in I Tim. 2" - which is precisely the reason that virtually NO reputable translations adopt the renderings of "husband" nor "wife" in I Tim. 2.12 (don't even try Young's - it won't fare well for you when I quote some of his other mistranslations

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*Again, all of this has been pointed out to you many-many-many-many-many times...yet you continue to proffer the same misinformation?? Honestly mind-boggling to many of us (trust me, they have told me so personally). I honestly feel sad for those unsuspecting folks whom you're "teaching a seminar" to on this topic...but will always be here to point out the mistakes

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*Funny thing is, I also recently taught on the topic of "women in the ministry" & why they are explicitly forbidden from the same at an extremely well-known church - at the pastors request. I deal with many of your (& other "books" on the issue) erroneous assertions & misinformation such as above.

Sister Alvear · #2 05-30-2015, 03:34 PM

Brother Benincasa...I have a sincere question for you and for you alone. Would it be better for a person to never hear the gospel than hear it from a woman?

Evang.Benincasa · #3 05-30-2015, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Brother Benincasa...I have a sincere question for you and for you alone. Would it be better for a person to never hear the gospel than hear it from a woman?

Sister with all love, and with all due respect, please in no way am I calling you a Trinitarian, but just like the Calvinists who ask me the question, concerning a man in the dessert getting ready to die, yet sincerely repents to God, but there is no water or person to baptize him in Jesus name? Will God reject his repentance?

Sister, I trust the Lord to make a way, we are not saying a woman cannot tell someone of the faith she has in Jesus Christ. What I'm just pointing out is that female leadership over adult males isn't what the Bible is trying to show. Men need men to lead them. You have the Son of God, not the Daughter of God, 12 Apostles all males, 12 patriarchs, not 12 matriarchs.