Saved Without A Pastor??

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by Apostolic1ness

The direction conversations tend to go with these comparisons is not good. Since the Pastor of a church generally has a closer relationship to congregation its easy to lose a certain level of respect for them that should be maintained. verses the honor and respect we would show toward one that we knew was a prophet or apostle or an evangelist, and for some reason a teacher well their the almost the bottom of the totem pole. its obvious to me that the church does not honor everyone the same. (I am of Paul, well I am of Apollos).
As far as im concerned everyone that labors in the kingdom and in the word are elders and are worthy of double honor.
I would hate to know that because of my comparisons within the ministry would cause someone to lose respect or honor for their leadership.
Not just because I am a preacher, but for the sake of the church there must be honor and respect for those chosen to be in the ministry.

Thank you. This is a good answer.

[Amanah]

This passage does not even mention pastors, but instead apostles, prophets, and teachers.

1 Cor 12
27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by Amanah

This passage does not even mention pastors, but instead apostles, prophets, and teachers.

1 Cor 12
27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.

This is a wonderful passage of scripture contained in this chapter. Not to diminish from your post, which is excellent, but to add to it, consider the meaning of verse 23 . . .

23 And those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness.

Isn't this what I have been trying to say? We pile 90% of the honor on the pastors, and the Bible says whichever we consider to be "less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour".

Maybe we should be looking to honor the custodian, but we instead heap all of our honor on the pastor.

Hey, I didn't say it, but I did quote it. It's Bible!!!

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by houston

People were bowing before their pastor???

At the altar bro its shenanigans.

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

This is a wonderful passage of scripture contained in this chapter. Not to diminish from your post, which is excellent, but to add to it, consider the meaning of verse 23 . . .

23 And those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness.

Isn't this what I have been trying to say? We pile 90% of the honor on the pastors, and the Bible says whichever we consider to be "less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour".

Maybe we should be looking to honor the custodian, but we instead heap all of our honor on the pastor.

Hey, I didn't say it, but I did quote it. It's Bible!!!

the issue is that one man can't do it all, it is better to have a group of elders working together to run the church, isn't it? this way more are sharing in responsibility and one isn't getting burnt out.

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

At the altar bro its shenanigans.

What exactly are you referring to as shenanigans?

And who is performing the alleged shenanigans?

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by Amanah

the issue is that one man can't do it all, it is better to have a group of elders working together to run the church, isn't it? this way more are sharing in responsibility and one isn't getting burnt out.

That is the model of the early apostolic church. It seems that they thought so.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

What exactly are you referring to as shenanigans?

And who is performing the alleged shenanigans?

Irish sionnachuighim (“I play the fox”).

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

This is a wonderful passage of scripture contained in this chapter. Not to diminish from your post, which is excellent, but to add to it, consider the meaning of verse 23 . . .

23 And those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness.

Isn't this what I have been trying to say? We pile 90% of the honor on the pastors, and the Bible says whichever we consider to be "less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour".

Maybe we should be looking to honor the custodian, but we instead heap all of our honor on the pastor.

Hey, I didn't say it, but I did quote it. It's Bible!!!

Ok who are the sheep and who is the shepherd. In context of 1 Peter 5 Peter is calling himself a elder because he was a Bishop the Apostle of the churches. Writing to the Elders meaning this was written to plural churches for they all were poimen Pastors. Over the sheep. Not everybody is a pastor or shepherd or Elder.

And what I wrote about Revelations was not a commentary but a definition. I showed proof in chapter 2 that was a person it was written to in verse 24 it shows it plainly "BUT UNTO YOU I SAY, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden." Who is the UNTO YOU then?

The word Pastor by definition means "the presiding officer, manager, director, of any assembly: so of Christ the Head of the church, of the overseers of the Christian assemblies." So stop with the shenanigans, how our you going to refute this?

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

Ok who are the sheep and who is the shepherd. In context of 1 Peter 5 Peter is calling himself a elder because he was a Bishop the Apostle of the churches. Writing to the Elders meaning this was written to plural churches for they all were poimen Pastors. Over the sheep. Not everybody is a pastor or shepherd or Elder.

And what I wrote about Revelations was not a commentary but a definition. I showed proof in chapter 2 that was a person it was written to in verse 24 it shows it plainly "BUT UNTO YOU I SAY, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden." Who is the UNTO YOU then?

The word Pastor by definition means "the presiding officer, manager, director, of any assembly: so of Christ the Head of the church, of the overseers of the Christian assemblies." So stop with the shenanigans, how our you going to refute this?

Brother . . .

The word pastor is NOT there. Nor is ANY word that is used in lieu of pastor elsewhere in the Bible. You added it, in spite of the scripture I posted rebuking adding to, or subtracting from the book of Revelation.

I refute the addition AND the assumption that this is a pastor referred to here. You are symbolizing a symbol, then assuming the symbol you symbolized is a symbol for something else. It is confusing just typing it out.

Did you read my example of clear-cut symbolism in my earlier post to you?