Where are all the Acts 2:38 folks (3-steppers)??

[nahkoe]

Originally Posted by Sam

Yes, I am more in agreement with Baptists on the salvation issue, but I hope I haven't been spewing antagonism toward those who do not see things the way I do.

I would hope no one's sensing that from you. You are, IMO, an example of how to post a less than popular opinion. I know you are 100% confident in what you believe and comfortable enough to state what that is w/o stepping on anyone in the process.

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

BTW-

I used the term "3 steppers" because I wanted it to be clear that I meant those that believe that one is not born again until they have obeyed Acts 2:38 in its fullness, and not those that believe salvation occurs prior to the completion of Acts 2:38. Most of you know what I meant anyway.

Yeah, we managed to figure it out. Hehe.

[Scott Hutchinson]

Bro.Sam is a Christian gentleman,btw I thought the Day Of Pentecost began in 30 AD.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by John Atkinson

Same here, even posted it once. Mockery was the response I got. Yet I will endure being called a "three-stepper" since that is the terminology some enjoy using.

I use the terms "one-stepper" and "three-stepper" because I think they pretty clearly define differences among Oneness Apostolic Pentecostals when it comes to justification/salvation/regeneration. I do not use either of those terms in a derogatory manner. Whether you consider yourself a "one-stepper," a "three-stepper," or use some other term, if you have made a personal commitment to Jesus I consider you my brother or sister and do not want to "argue" over differences in belief.

[PastorD]

So now all forums have to look alike too?

That is one thing I enjoy about AFF in my limited experience. There is some diversity of thought and idea. Of course when there is anonymity people tend to me more vocal about it, but diversity should be celebrated.

In Pentecost we demand every one look alike, talk alike, smell alike, and so on . . .

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Originally Posted by PastorD

So now all forums have to look alike too?

That is one thing I enjoy about AFF in my limited experience. There is some diversity of thought and idea. Of course when there is anonymity people tend to me more vocal about it, but diversity should be celebrated.

In Pentecost we demand every one look alike, talk alike, smell alike, and so on . . .

In another thread you did not equate Phil White and J Suber....

[PastorD]

Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind

In another thread you did not equate Phil White and J Suber....

Huh?

I am not being critical....I am just reading through the thread and trying to understand. You have one group of posters that welcome everyone and another group that want everyone the same.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by PastorD

So now all forums have to look alike too?

That is one thing I enjoy about AFF in my limited experience. There is some diversity of thought and idea. Of course when there is anonymity people tend to me more vocal about it, but diversity should be celebrated.

In Pentecost we demand every one look alike, talk alike, smell alike, and so on . . .

How much "diversity" does the Lord want on the fundamental question of "what is salvation" ?

Originally Posted by PastorD

I am not being critical....I am just reading through the thread and trying to understand. You have one group of posters that welcome everyone and another group that want everyone the same.

We as a whole tolerate a lot of diversity on a lot of issues, bro. -- TV, worship styles, standards, etc... but do you want us to have diversity on the salvation plan?

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Because of an answer like this? LOL!

Why do you ignore the history of the Apostolic movement? Even in a direct question you side step it entirely. Are you embarassed by our forebears?

I think we have a great insight on the teachings of the 1st century church, and insight that has been lost or obscured for millenia. However, how we got that is an important and fascinating story. A story which sheds a lot of light on the differences of opinion that we find within the Apostolic Faith movement today.

Why sweep it all under the rug and then pretend it never existed? Why do many decry those that still hold fast to the teachings of our forebears as unapostolic or anti-apostolic?

Why do you demand that I accept those that did not lay the foundation of the Apostolic doctrine?? I do not ignore the fathers of the Apostolic movement. The foundation was not laid by Haywood, Goss, or Ewart. It was laid by the Apostles, Jesus Christ being the cornerstone. Why would I look elsewhere to find truth. If we compare ourselves with anything other than the Word, then we are destined to get off coarse.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by scotty

If you speak of that street revival in San Fransisco, I am really weary of posting about it ,,, but one more time for the record...that group itself splintered within 2 years of the revival, so which splinter group are you calling the "founders" or whatever you seem to think sways my beliefs.

Your apparent refrence to Azusa Street as being a "street revival in San Francisco" sheds a lot of light on your understanding of your own heritage.

But no, I am speaking about the teachings of the founders of the PCI and the PAJC and PAW. Howard Goss, John Dearing, WT Witherspoon, A.D. Urshan, G.T. Haywood, S.G. Norris, and a host of others.

Why don't you follow their beiliefs? I'm just asking... I'm sure you've got good reasons for splintering away from the movement. But why?

Originally Posted by scotty

Whichever one of those groups that walked away with the Truth of Oneness, Holy Ghost salvation as written of the Day of Pentecost then thats the one I will follow. How do I know which one that is? Through the Spirit, thats how the Word says you will know the truth. Thats my point Bro., the Word as taught through the Spirit is where I will stand, the founder of that is Jesus Christ as taught through the diciples. Period

To insist upon such a subjective standard as "by the Spirit" leads inevitably to chaos. What you have stated here is identical to the teachings of the Mormon church. Also, the Roman Catholic Church makes the same claim about itself. About the only group that doesn't make this same claim is when you hear a Baptist say they were "founded by John the Baptist and so they're older than the apostles!"

It's great to be truly led by the Spirit. But you have a paper trail that you can follow as well that will give you important insights into your own heritage.

I'm left with the impression that you and StMatthew are ashamed of your roots. You side step every mention of them and treat great men and women of God as if they were a hair lip cousin that you have to hide in the barn whenever company visits.