Why I Am A Futurist - Page 22

mfblume · #1 02-06-2015, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

How do two people do exactly that and come away with two very different conclusions?

lol

Flesh. But that doesn't turn me off seeking God in prayerful study. Again, it always reminds me of this... some look at religions and say it's easier to find a needle in a haystack than to know truth. That's unbelief. That's the result of a thinking that discounts God's personal work with each of us.

good samaritan · #2 02-05-2015, 09:24 PM

Since you made the point Revelation 1 says things that must shortly come to pass do you believe that Revelation prophecy's are past tense. I thought the question is simple.

Evang.Benincasa · #3 02-05-2015, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by good samaritan

Since you made the point Revelation 1 says things that must shortly come to pass do you believe that Revelation prophecy's are past tense. I thought the question is simple.

So, was my question?

Care to take a shot at it?

good samaritan · #4 02-05-2015, 09:27 PM

post #219 was my answer. I guess I don't know. I plan on digging more into it and that is also why I am taking so much part in this thread.

Evang.Benincasa · #5 02-05-2015, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by good samaritan

post #219 was my answer. I guess I don't know. I plan on digging more into it and that is also why I am taking so much part in this thread.

OK, I'm cool with that, so let's keep doing the studying and the Lord Jesus will lead the way.

Thank you for your wonderful honesty.

good samaritan · #6 02-05-2015, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

OK, I'm cool with that, so let's keep doing the studying and the Lord Jesus will lead the way.

Thank you for your wonderful honesty.

You are a unique person.

good samaritan · #7 02-05-2015, 09:31 PM

I don't know!!!! I am not finished though.

good samaritan · #8 02-06-2015, 09:25 AM

Twenty-four elders I have believed it to be 12 sons of Israel and 12 apostles. I understand that the church and the nation of Israel is all one kingdom. Over time it has always been God's kingdom, but has been in a process. The son's of God mentioned in Genesis is what we would call sons of God today(kingdom kids). Until Jesus time the law of Moses was their plan to salvation. The law was not destroyed by Jesus only fulfilled. So I think in a way the law is at work today, but that Jesus Christ is fulfillment to it the only way to be obedient and follow the law is to believe on Jesus Christ and be obedient to the faith. I heard something on another thread about Israel returning to animal sacrifices and I could see some certain part of religious Jews who would, but if they did they would be backtracking the kingdom process into something that is over and brings no salvation. Salvation does come by work, the work of God that is. Our faith and God's works. The process I've seen the kingdom go through is God working throughout time for God to bring us to the place that He desires. I believe the next step is to bring the kingdom to the next level and I feel that is the resurrection. All the confusion about time for me has not been about misc. fulfilled prophecies, but for us to be ready for that resurrection of the Church. To me that is what I see every time I read coming of the Lord.

Carl · #9 02-06-2015, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by good samaritan

Twenty-four elders I have believed it to be 12 sons of Israel and 12 apostles. I understand that the church and the nation of Israel is all one kingdom. Over time it has always been God's kingdom, but has been in a process. The son's of God mentioned in Genesis is what we would call sons of God today(kingdom kids). Until Jesus time the law of Moses was their plan to salvation. The law was not destroyed by Jesus only fulfilled. So I think in a way the law is at work today, but that Jesus Christ is fulfillment to it the only way to be obedient and follow the law is to believe on Jesus Christ and be obedient to the faith. I heard something on another thread about Israel returning to animal sacrifices and I could see some certain part of religious Jews who would, but if they did they would be backtracking the kingdom process into something that is over and brings no salvation. Salvation does come by work, the work of God that is. Our faith and God's works. The process I've seen the kingdom go through is God working throughout time for God to bring us to the place that He desires. I believe the next step is to bring the kingdom to the next level and I feel that is the resurrection. All the confusion about time for me has not been about misc. fulfilled prophecies, but for us to be ready for that resurrection of the Church. To me that is what I see every time I read coming of the Lord.

good samaritan · #10 02-06-2015, 10:23 AM

MB,

I know I may be repeating something already we spoke of but here it is again. "I believe" that John the Baptist was a part of the Kingdom before Christ. "I believe" that the kingdom was at a lower point in the process, thus, Jesus saying that the least shall be greater than he. John was in a time when the kingdom had less prophetic fulfillment, but it still was the kingdom. I believe that every one under the law who put there faith in God in all that had been revealed to them were kingdom kids. By obedience to the law they were indirectly placing there faith in Christ because He was the fulfillment of that law. I don't think that everyone who died in the OT was lost. Jesus died approx. A.D. 30, but God is eternal knowing no barriers and His blood sacrifice would be sufficient for eternity. I believe the blood of Jesus was flowing into eternity reaching back into Abraham's day. Thus when Jesus is referred to as the lamb slain from the foundation of the world; He was not just a plan in the mind of God at the beginning but he was God, dying for past, present, and future. He was the process that began at the fall of man. God gave Adam and Eve coats of skins to cover their nakedness and I take that literal but He spiritually gave them their covering back then, and it was the lamb (Jesus) sacrificed to cover their shame. Everything that was done prior to Jesus was leading up to Him and we await Him to return and collect the kingdom that He has molded and created into what it is today. I enjoy hearing people on the many details that I don't have a clear understanding of and my knowledge is still in process, but I love the search though.