Some standing here

[shazeep]

so iow, Christ isn't good enough, you need "proof" of some "facts" from other men? Then what about "AD?" "The year of our Lord?" Let me guess--i'm taking that out of context or something, right?

[Sean]

Originally Posted by shazeep

so iow, Christ isn't good enough, you need "proof" of some "facts" from other men? Then what about "AD?" "The year of our Lord?" Let me guess--i'm taking that out of context or something, right?

Yeah, like AD. That will suffice.

We have proof in writing that Jesus lived and died.

Now simply give me proof that Jesus returned a second time.

I mean ANY kind of proof.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Sean

Yeah, like AD. That will suffice.

We have proof in writing that Jesus lived and died.

Now simply give me proof that Jesus returned a second time.

I mean ANY kind of proof.

Matthew 21:40-41 When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen? (41) They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.


He said coming to his vineyard, Jerusalem, in destruction was a COMING. Proof right there. That is not THE second coming, but it was a coming.

The pharisees knew he spoke about coming to judge them!

Matthew 21:45 And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.

And lo and behold the temple was destroyed. he said He'd come and destroy them, and the temple was destroyed! And those Jews were, too! That's real proof.

[mfblume]

Read my words again.

Originally Posted by mfblume

Matthew 21:40-41 When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen? (41) They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.


He said coming to his vineyard, Jerusalem, in destruction was a COMING. Proof right there. That is not THE second coming, but it was a coming.

The pharisees knew he spoke about coming to judge them!

Matthew 21:45 And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.

And lo and behold the temple was destroyed. he said He'd come and destroy them, and the temple was destroyed! And those Jews were, too! That's real proof.

[Sean]

Time to fix Mikes' mistakes....


34 And when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it.

35 And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another.

36 Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise.

37 But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son.

38 But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance.

39 And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him.(Jesus)

40 When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen? This is a parable of the 2nd coming?

41 They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons. The dispersion of the Jews is all the 2nd coming of Jesus is about?

42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?

43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. Did the kingdom of God get stripped from them in 70ad, or Pentecost?
If you say 70ad, then the Jews were consider Gods' kingdom for over 30 years after Pentecost.

44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.

45 And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.

46 But when they sought to lay hands on him, they feared the multitude, because they took him for a prophet.

To say that this PARABLE is a description of the 2nd coming is a big time stretch.

Jesus did not return to kill Jews, but when He returns, He will RESTORE Israel in His promised KINGDOM.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Sean

Time to fix Mikes' mistakes....


34 And when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it.

35 And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another.

36 Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise.

37 But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son.

38 But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance.

39 And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him.(Jesus)

40 When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen? This is a parable of the 2nd coming?

No. read what I said. I said this is not the second coming. But it is a "coming".

41 They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons. The dispersion of the Jews is all the 2nd coming of Jesus is about?

No. Why are you not reading my words?

42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?

43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. Did the kingdom of God get stripped from them in 70ad, or Pentecost?

It got stripped from them when Jesus was still there alive!

If you say 70ad, then the Jews were consider Gods' kingdom for over 30 years after Pentecost.

I never said AD70. It was stripped before they even crucified Him.

44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.

45 And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.

46 But when they sought to lay hands on him, they feared the multitude, because they took him for a prophet.

To say that this PARABLE is a description of the 2nd coming is a big time stretch.

Jesus did not return to kill Jews, but when He returns, He will RESTORE Israel in His promised KINGDOM.

I distinctly said it was not the second coming. Read my words again.

So read better next time., Wow.

Jesus came in AD70 like He said he would come in Matt 21:40 and destroyed those husbandmen.

[Sean]

Like this...

6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?

7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

[Sean]

I thought you were trying to say this passage was about the 2nd coming. Thanks for clarifying that you do not believe that.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Sean

I thought you were trying to say this passage was about the 2nd coming. Thanks for clarifying that you do not believe that.

I have always maintained that the coming of the Lord in AD70 was NOT the second coming. You never knew that in all the times I said it to you? That is the whole point of partial preterism. The second coming is future.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I have always maintained that the coming of the Lord in AD70 was NOT the second coming. You never knew that in all the times I said it to you? That is the whole point of partial preterism. The second coming is future.

No!!!!!!!!

I thought all along, you guys believed the 2nd coming was 70ad!!!!!