End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

The debbil made me do it....

[KeptByTheWord]

I think in this discussion of women preachers, that we also need to look at how headship is abused, both by men and women alike.

Obviously, you can't read the book of Proverbs without being aware of the dangers of a loud, bossy woman who dominates everything.

But there is another side too, that is just as sad... and that is an authoritative man who thinks his wife and family are his servants, and who basically uses God's principles unjustly, and who rules with an iron fist, abusing and terrorizing his family.

Both sets of extremes are wrong, and cause terrible sadness and misery.

I hope those reading this thread realize that the kind of headship with husband and wife we are talking about, and the kind of leadership roles that males will lead in, does not give them the right to abuse that leadership position/role, whether it be as a husband, or as a leader, and to become authoritative, and demanding in their leadership.

The principle of Christ and the church applies so beautifully to how things should be... but human nature deviates very quickly to opposite ends of the spectrum, which has caused a bitter taste for many when seeing such roles abused.

[Evang.Benincasa]

his controversial approach to marriage has transformed thousands of relationships, bringing women romance, harmony, and the intimacy they crave.

Like millions of women, Laura Doyle wanted her marriage to be better. But when she tried to get her husband to be more romantic, helpful, and ambitious, he withdrew -- and she was lonely and exhausted from controlling everything.

Desperate to be in love with her man again, she decided to stop telling him what to do and how to do it.

When Doyle surrendered control, something magical happened. The union she had always dreamed of appeared. The man who had wooed her was back.

The underlying principle of The Surrendered Wife is simple:control women wield at work and with children must be left at the front door of any marriage. Laura Doyle's model for matrimony shows women how they can both express their needs and have them met while also respecting their husband's choices. When they do, they revitalize intimacy. Compassionate and practical, The Surrendered Wife is a step-by-step guide that teaches women how to: * Give up unnecessary control and responsibility * Resist the temptation to criticize, belittle, or dismiss their husbands * Trust their husbands in every aspect of marriage -- from sexual to financial And more. http://lauradoyle.org/store/the-books

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

his controversial approach to marriage has transformed thousands of relationships, bringing women romance, harmony, and the intimacy they crave.

Like millions of women, Laura Doyle wanted her marriage to be better. But when she tried to get her husband to be more romantic, helpful, and ambitious, he withdrew -- and she was lonely and exhausted from controlling everything.

Desperate to be in love with her man again, she decided to stop telling him what to do and how to do it.

When Doyle surrendered control, something magical happened. The union she had always dreamed of appeared. The man who had wooed her was back.

The underlying principle of The Surrendered Wife is simple:control women wield at work and with children must be left at the front door of any marriage. Laura Doyle's model for matrimony shows women how they can both express their needs and have them met while also respecting their husband's choices. When they do, they revitalize intimacy. Compassionate and practical, The Surrendered Wife is a step-by-step guide that teaches women how to: * Give up unnecessary control and responsibility * Resist the temptation to criticize, belittle, or dismiss their husbands * Trust their husbands in every aspect of marriage -- from sexual to financial And more. http://lauradoyle.org/store/the-books

One thing you'll notice... as a feminist, she still does not relinquish complete control... she admits that she can still be controlling at work, and with her children... oh my... like I said though.. the very principles in marriage at least that she was espousing, are principles God set forth... lol!

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

One thing you'll notice... as a feminist, she still does not relinquish complete control... she admits that she can still be controlling at work, and with her children... oh my... like I said though.. the very principles in marriage at least that she was espousing, are principles God set forth... lol!

YOU NAILED IT!

Hence the women leadership tends to lead like the role of a male, or if not male a female with her children. Not what God had in mind.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

I think in this discussion of women preachers, that we also need to look at how headship is abused, both by men and women alike.

Obviously, you can't read the book of Proverbs without being aware of the dangers of a loud, bossy woman who dominates everything.

But there is another side too, that is just as sad... and that is an authoritative man who thinks his wife and family are his servants, and who basically uses God's principles unjustly, and who rules with an iron fist, abusing and terrorizing his family.

Both sets of extremes are wrong, and cause terrible sadness and misery.

I hope those reading this thread realize that the kind of headship with husband and wife we are talking about, and the kind of leadership roles that males will lead in, does not give them the right to abuse that leadership position/role, whether it be as a husband, or as a leader, and to become authoritative, and demanding in their leadership.

The principle of Christ and the church applies so beautifully to how things should be... but human nature deviates very quickly to opposite ends of the spectrum, which has caused a bitter taste for many when seeing such roles abused.

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

I think in this discussion of women preachers, that we also need to look at how headship is abused, both by men and women alike.

Obviously, you can't read the book of Proverbs without being aware of the dangers of a loud, bossy woman who dominates everything.

But there is another side too, that is just as sad... and that is an authoritative man who thinks his wife and family are his servants, and who basically uses God's principles unjustly, and who rules with an iron fist, abusing and terrorizing his family.

Both sets of extremes are wrong, and cause terrible sadness and misery.

I hope those reading this thread realize that the kind of headship with husband and wife we are talking about, and the kind of leadership roles that males will lead in, does not give them the right to abuse that leadership position/role, whether it be as a husband, or as a leader, and to become authoritative, and demanding in their leadership.

The principle of Christ and the church applies so beautifully to how things should be... but human nature deviates very quickly to opposite ends of the spectrum, which has caused a bitter taste for many when seeing such roles abused.

Over 26 years ago a friend asked me these questions: “Do you want your wife to obey you? Do you want her to be in submission to you?” I answered him, “Of course; that’s what the Bible says she must do!” My friend responded, “So you want her to follow your leadership?” “Yes!” I responded. “Okay,” my friend smiled, “what does the Bible say you must be to be the ‘leader’ or the ‘greatest’ in God’s kingdom?” Oh, brother, I didn’t want to answer that and he knew it. He asked again, “What does the Word say?” I finally answered, “It says you must be the least of all.” “So then,” he said, “if you want her to obey you, you must first serve her.” I knew he was right because he had the Bible to back him up.

So, serving others is the key to having peace and Christian leadership in the home and in the church…and it is a man's responsibility to make it happen. This doesn't mean a man does not conduct themselves like a man. Instead, it means they conduct themselves as a man who’s led by Jesus Christ. (See Mat 20:27-28, Mat 23:11; Mark 9:35, Mark 10:44; Eph 5:25-28; Col 3:19; 1 Pet 3:7).

[Scott Pitta]

IF women are required to be silent, is it wrong for them to translate and publish the Bible ? Can they obey the "silent" rule and teach in Christian colleges ?

What does "silent" mean ? No prophecy or teaching, even though Paul says they should ?

What does "silent" mean ???

What is the connection to bearing children ??

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

IF women are required to be silent, is it wrong for them to translate and publish the Bible ? Can they obey the "silent" rule and teach in Christian colleges ?

What does "silent" mean ? No prophecy or teaching, even though Paul says they should ?

What does "silent" mean ???

Brother Pitta the word "silent" in the verse contextually means that the woman is to be at peace with her position.

Please understand that word, and verse, must be kept in context.

[KeptByTheWord]

Gotta go for now... but I'll be back later

Scott.. I'm sure EB has an answer, and he doesn't respond, I will when I get back