Elephant in the room - accusation of judging - Page 23

aegsm76 · #1 06-10-2016, 01:12 PM

I do not believe anyone in this thread has said that "all Catholics are lost" or "all Muslims are lost".
That is what shaz interprets when we point out that official Catholic and Muslim theology are not according the the Bible.

shazeep · #2 06-10-2016, 01:16 PM

well, my apologies, but more than one person have said both, and more, quite directly. I was also taken aback. So the first part is not in dispute (you can search it), and this can only be because the second part requires that one arbitrate Scripture for others--obviously the pope would disagree with both of us, and we find that even different sects of Pentecostalism do not agree with each other.

i think disagreeing is fine; but condemning is another matter entirely imo; and as this is a widely held misconception, apparently, some fruit might be realized by focusing on the second part.

shazeep · #3 06-11-2016, 03:46 PM

mfblume · #4 06-11-2016, 05:11 PM

So, is it judging when a person takes what God says is the ruling for who is lost, and seeing that in someone or themselves, and then claiming such people are lost? Or, instead, is judging making your own conclusions of what makes one lost and then seeing someone or themselves fit that criteria and saying they're lost?

mfblume · #5 06-13-2016, 11:10 AM

So, is it judging when a person takes what God says is the ruling for who is lost, and seeing that in someone or themselves, and then claiming such people are lost? Or, instead, is judging making your own conclusions of what makes one lost and then seeing someone or themselves fit that criteria and saying they're lost?

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good samaritan · #6 06-11-2016, 11:03 PM

Stating the Bible is not judging. I have been thinking about judging here lately. If someone is judged there is a verdict which holds consequence, but me telling someone they are lost in sin is not judgement, but merely me repeating what the scripture says. Judgement is what will be received if they choose to continue in the sinful and unrepentant lifestyle without Jesus Christ. Jesus commands us to judge the widows and the fatherless. I think he is telling us to do good for those who rightfully need help. I wouldn't intentionally persecute someone for being a sinner, but I would warn them about the path they are own. That is not judging, but that is warning of judgement.

shazeep · #7 06-13-2016, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by good samaritan

Stating the Bible is not judging. I have been thinking about judging here lately. If someone is judged there is a verdict which holds consequence, but me telling someone they are lost in sin is not judgement, but merely me repeating what the scripture says. Judgement is what will be received if they choose to continue in the sinful and unrepentant lifestyle without Jesus Christ. Jesus commands us to judge the widows and the fatherless. I think he is telling us to do good for those who rightfully need help. I wouldn't intentionally persecute someone for being a sinner, but I would warn them about the path they are own. That is not judging, but that is warning of judgement.

i often don't reply to you, simply because you never say anything that i disagree with

now i don't know how well that serves you, an endorsement from me, but you have obviously found more grace than many.

So i will agree that stating the Bible is not judging, but we all know that the Bible can be misused. There is most certainly a time for preaching, and even judgement, and i would not suggest otherwise. But when the fruit of one's judgement becomes, essentially, "Every sect but mine is going to hell," i think it is time to pause and reflect.

good samaritan · #8 06-11-2016, 11:13 PM

If I don't open my bowels of compassion and I precede to afflict a person because of their status that is judging.

mfblume · #9 06-12-2016, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by good samaritan

Stating the Bible is not judging. I have been thinking about judging here lately. If someone is judged there is a verdict which holds consequence, but me telling someone they are lost in sin is not judgement, but merely me repeating what the scripture says. Judgement is what will be received if they choose to continue in the sinful and unrepentant lifestyle without Jesus Christ. Jesus commands us to judge the widows and the fatherless. I think he is telling us to do good for those who rightfully need help. I wouldn't intentionally persecute someone for being a sinner, but I would warn them about the path they are own. That is not judging, but that is warning of judgement.

Amen.

mfblume · #10 06-12-2016, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by good samaritan

If I don't open my bowels of compassion and I precede to afflict a person because of their status that is judging.

Right. But liberals think if we say they are in sin and lost that we hate them and are judging. How can we tell them that they need Jesus if we can't say they're lost? Jesus came to save the lost. So if they need Jesus they're lost.

Some make the mistake of thinking no one is saved now and no one is lay because it's not over yet. in one sense that's true. but the bible also puts the saved state in the here and now for believers. in other words, if one died now, they'd know they're either saved or lost now.