More on Skirts

[good samaritan]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Good points.

Consider the economy. Most will tell you that for the average middle class home, both must work to make ends meet. Our entire economy has become so money hungry people have to even work weekends in most businesses. That cuts into their church attendance. I say this because many women I know work because they have to, not because they want to.

I assure you that people could live off of less. Every family has to have multiple vehicles, larger than necessary homes, electronics and many other things to be average middle class. The problem is that Americans are worldly. The NT saints sold all they had to follow Jesus, but Americans feel like they have to have everything the world has to offer. The bible says having food and raiment to therewith be content, but we have to have much more than that.

My grandparents raised 7 children in a 2 bedroom house and did it without welfare. When the kids wasn't in school they worked. Kids today don't work, but spend their time playing video games and goofing off. There is a reason all the middle class jobs are going over seas and it ain't just the governments fault. Meanwhile mom is out on the job trying to give her children all the things she never had while neglecting to give them what she did have (a mother that was there and a proper raising).

P

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

I assure you that people could live off of less. Every family has to have multiple vehicles, larger than necessary homes, electronics and many other things to be average middle class. The problem is that Americans are worldly. The NT saints sold all they had to follow Jesus, but Americans feel like they have to have everything the world has to offer. The bible says having food and raiment to therewith be content, but we have to have much more than that.

My grandparents raised 7 children in a 2 bedroom house and did it without welfare. When the kids wasn't in school they worked. Kids today don't work, but spend their time playing video games and goofing off. There is a reason all the middle class jobs are going over seas and it ain't just the governments fault. Meanwhile mom is out on the job trying to give her children all the things she never had while neglecting to give them what she did have (a mother that was there and a proper raising).

P

I take home roughly $2,000 a month. My rent is $790 alone. Add on utilities (electric, gas, water), a car payment, insurance, cell phone bill, and student loan payment, and I'm left with around $35 to $40 (on average) to get by on for two weeks. That means I have to make roughly $40 dollars cover gas money to get back and forth to work, child care, groceries, auto maintenance, any needs the kids might have, toiletries, etc.

Frankly, we'd sink without a second income. Because gas money alone is roughly $40 a week.

Oh, and we have only one vehicle.

People say, "Why don't you move? That rent is too expensive." Well, I could move, but I'd only save $200 bucks, and my kids would grow up in a meth infested neighborhood with gunshots going off all ours of the day and night.

So, the little lady works part time (almost full time). I pay the bills, and I cover my gas money. She pays for living expenses. Her job is within a mile and a half of our home, so she often walks or catches the bus.

The kids go to school, so during the school year they stay with a sitter for a little over two hours until one of us is home. That's only missing two hours a day with us. They do their homework during this time and play outside. So, they're basically doing what they'd be doing even if they were at home with us. So, no serious time lost.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I take home roughly $2,000 a month. My rent is $790 alone. Add on utilities (electric, gas, water), a car payment, insurance, cell phone bill, and student loan payment, and I'm left with around $35 to $40 (on average) to get by on for two weeks. That means I have to make roughly $40 dollars cover gas money to get back and forth to work, child care, groceries, auto maintenance, any needs the kids might have, toiletries, etc.

Frankly, we'd sink without a second income. Because gas money alone is roughly $40 a week.

Oh, and we have only one vehicle.

People say, "Why don't you move? That rent is too expensive." Well, I could move, but I'd only save $200 bucks, and my kids would grow up in a meth infested neighborhood with gunshots going off all ours of the day and night.

So, the little lady works part time (almost full time). I pay the bills, and I cover my gas money. She pays for living expenses. Her job is within a mile and a half of our home, so she often walks or catches the bus.

The kids go to school, so during the school year they stay with a sitter for a little over two hours until one of us is home. That's only missing two hours a day with us. They do their homework during this time and play outside. So, they're basically doing what they'd be doing even if they were at home with us. So, no serious time lost.

I raised seven kids as a single income parent (wife is a homemaker). I worked construction, 10 bucks an hour, seasonal layoffs, had some down time (some lasting several months at a stretch). Got a job making 10 bucks an hour, after 8 yrs was making 16 an hour. I calculated inflation, discovered I was actually making less than when I started.

Raised seven kids, several dogs, bought a home paid it off in three and a half years, bought a suburban, paid cash, bought a van paid cash, bought second suburban when first went kaput, paid cash again, bought a nice 4x4 F250 king cab made payments of 500 per month and paid it off in a couple years. Homeschooled the kids the whole time. Did not take welfare, food stamps, or govt assistance. Lived in neighborhoods you'd be afraid to be in after dark but we never locked our doors and often just had the screen door keeping the world out. Never had a problem with any break ins.

One neighbor went to prison for shooting his wife's boyfriend in the front yard about 3 lots down from us. Once I had to go visit a neighbor with the sheriff deputy and politely inform the guy if he entered my yard again and said cross words to my son he wouldnt make it home again. In a previous neighborhood had a neighbor go to jail after they found a body bagged up in freezer bags in his refrigerator.

Once we lived in a neighborhood (long ago) where literally half the residents were parolees or released felons, about 1/3 were Aryan Brotherhood and another 1/3 were Latin King subsets, plus two pimps, lots of drunks, assorted crack heads and crank heads (meth addicts). They all knew who to go see if they needed prayer, though.

Half my kids are adults now. None ever went to jail or had any trouble with the law or courts. They know more than ALL of the public school kids they've ever interacted with from well to do cousins to local riff raff. They turned out way better than I did at their age, that's a guaranteed fact. They actually have morals and don't give two hoots about "peer pressure", they tend to lead not follow. They can handle themselves in a church sanctuary, a ghetto alley, a boxing gym, or a family picnic at the park equally well. They are generally frugal with money (more than I was for sure), have investments in real estate, can butcher wild game, build shelter in the wild with no tools, prepare fancy multi course meals or live on wild plants. One daughter is a CNA, another can perform tactical combat casualty care just short of running an IV, older son codes in C, C++, Python, and assembly, has built microbots, all of the older ones can debate a JW or Baptist into oblivion right on the doorstep, they all know how to pray like the world depends on them, and they will literally do whatever they can to help anyone out even to their own detriment.

We are living proof that it doesn't take a lot of money and a perfect environment to raise a family that knows God and can serve their generation. It just takes a bit of faith and some of what we in Texas call "want to".

[n david]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

I assure you that people could live off of less. Every family has to have multiple vehicles, larger than necessary homes, electronics and many other things to be average middle class. The problem is that Americans are worldly. The NT saints sold all they had to follow Jesus, but Americans feel like they have to have everything the world has to offer. The bible says having food and raiment to therewith be content, but we have to have much more than that.

My grandparents raised 7 children in a 2 bedroom house and did it without welfare. When the kids wasn't in school they worked. Kids today don't work, but spend their time playing video games and goofing off. There is a reason all the middle class jobs are going over seas and it ain't just the governments fault. Meanwhile mom is out on the job trying to give her children all the things she never had while neglecting to give them what she did have (a mother that was there and a proper raising).

P

Bingo.

I'm the sole income earner for a family of five. I looked at my income last year (2016) and my actual take home amount was barely $25K. I don't have cable tv or a car loan or a bunch of extras. We don't eat out except for special occasions. We frequent the farmers market for incredible deals on fruits and veggies. We don't live in the nice area or in an apartment complex with all the amenities. We live in a 2 bd duplex in a minority neighborhood where rent is $579/mo. We've been there three years, and unfortunately we're going to have to find a larger home soon, because the twins are two years old and getting bigger and our soon-to-be eight year old is needing her own room.

I grew up in a family of six. My parents made less than $20K a year. Home was paid by the time I was born. There was no internet until dial-up AOL came later on. We never went without food or clothes. I used to hate it because my parents bought our clothes at the Salvation Army thrift store or the local Disabled American Veteran's thrift store.

People can get by for less, but most of the time they're subscribed to a bunch of extras or eat out too much or just live beyond their means.

[good samaritan]

Originally Posted by n david

Bingo.

I'm the sole income earner for a family of five. I looked at my income last year (2016) and my actual take home amount was barely $25K. I don't have cable tv or a car loan or a bunch of extras. We don't eat out except for special occasions. We frequent the farmers market for incredible deals on fruits and veggies. We don't live in the nice area or in an apartment complex with all the amenities. We live in a 2 bd duplex in a minority neighborhood where rent is $579/mo. We've been there three years, and unfortunately we're going to have to find a larger home soon, because the twins are two years old and getting bigger and our soon-to-be eight year old is needing her own room.

I grew up in a family of six. My parents made less than $20K a year. Home was paid by the time I was born. There was no internet until dial-up AOL came later on. We never went without food or clothes. I used to hate it because my parents bought our clothes at the Salvation Army thrift store or the local Disabled American Veteran's thrift store.

People can get by for less, but most of the time they're subscribed to a bunch of extras or eat out too much or just live beyond their means.

It really is about the management. Instead of a new car people could opt for a pre-owned car which can be bought and paid for, or at least have a shorter and smaller note with less insurance expense. People can do without individual cell phones, computers, cable and even God forbid the internet (I have had to).

Mothers at home can care about nutrition at the same time saving their families tons of money on dining out. People don't have to buy steak and all the high end groceries. vegetables are not that expensive at least not where I live. Children can share rooms contrary to popular opinion and make it on one bathroom.

Many mothers are able to homeschool and in the long run it is much cheaper. You don't feel the pressure to keep up with all the school fads, extra curricular activities, lunch money, snack money, etc. ... Home schoolers may be out 400-500 per child up front cost for books, but it doesn't compare to what children are costing their parents in public school.

I could name a ton of things we have done to survive in this world. People must be willing to learn to get by with less. My family doesn't spend a month's wages in order to go to a beach or amusement park. We do take small vacations fishing, camping, swimming and sometimes just relaxing. Some people are only happy if they are spending money. I am glad that my family and I are poor and happy.

[madras]

If I walk my beautiful wife from the church to the car and I give her my coat to cover herself because it is cold out, is she cross dressing?

[n david]

Originally Posted by madras

If I walk my beautiful wife from the church to the car and I give her my coat to cover herself because it is cold out, is she cross dressing?

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by madras

If I walk my beautiful wife from the church to the car and I give her my coat to cover herself because it is cold out, is she cross dressing?

did you give her your pants too?

[madras]

Originally Posted by Amanah

did you give her your pants too?

She's wearing a man's garment. My coat. It's a serious question.
If the argument is that women's pants are a man's garment because of
the cut, then does it not apply to the cut of a coat, and shirt/blouse?
It would make sense if women wore dresses all the time for the skirt
would cause a violation of Deuteronomy 22:5 due to the blouse being
cut like a man's shirt.

I'm just thinking out loud here.

[n david]

Originally Posted by madras

She's wearing a man's garment. My coat. It's a serious question.
If the argument is that women's pants are a man's garment because of
the cut, then does it not apply to the cut of a coat, and shirt/blouse?
It would make sense if women wore dresses all the time for the skirt
would cause a violation of Deuteronomy 22:5 due to the blouse being
cut like a man's shirt.

I'm just thinking out loud here.

I'm having trouble imagining this is really a serious question.

Did you give her your coat to wear every day? The answer, per your scenario, is no.

Applesauce and horseradish.