Are Trinitarians Saved?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Jason B

Of course I know your stance and what your mistaken mind thinks. But what would your reaction be? I posted this earlier.

Does not even scripture say "who are you to judge another man's servant? We shall all stand at the judgment seat of Christ."

Why is allowing God to be God offensive to you? Are you afraid His judgment will be different?

Will you object and stamp your feet if a trinitarian is in heaven? Will you pout as Jonah at the repentance of Ninevah? Complain as John, that you command them to stop preaching in Christ's name because they were not part of your group? Will you behave as Judas when Mary broke the box of spikenard to serve Christ? Honestly would you be angry to see John MacArthur, Paul Washer, or even MYSELF in heaven? Would you feel cheated? Slighted? Jealous? I honestly wonder how it would make you feel.

Jason, you believe in nothing, if you believe so many people with different ideas of soteriology will share heaven. Would I feel slighted if all these people were all in heaven? Bro, then heaven is just another Christian debate forum?
Buddy boy, if you believe the arguing is hot between Christians down here, Jesus will be standing between John MacArthur and Joel Olsteen up there.

What you propose is nothing short of extreme confusion. Even James White and John MacArthur wouldn't swallow what you are peddling here.

You need to hook up with a group which believes like you.

Because you are Lost in Space

[Evang.Benincasa]

While some go to heaven with a Trinitarian under each arm, the leading Trinitarians won't be returning you the favor.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

While some go to heaven with a Trinitarian under each arm, the leading Trinitarians won't be returning you the favor.

I've heard this clip before. He doesn't actually critique "Oneness". haha

It just goes to show how much misrepresentation there is on both sides.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Originalist

I've heard this clip before. He doesn't actually critique "Oneness". haha

It just goes to show how much misrepresentation there is on both sides.

Bro, it isn't as simple as you would hope.

Everyone wants to go to heaven, just no one wants to die to get there.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Jason, you believe in nothing, if you believe so many people with different ideas of soteriology will share heaven. Would I feel slighted if all these people were all in heaven? Bro, then heaven is just another Christian debate forum?
Buddy boy, if you believe the arguing is hot between Christians down here, Jesus will be standing between John MacArthur and Joel Olsteen up there.

What you propose is nothing short of extreme confusion. Even James White and John MacArthur wouldn't swallow what you are peddling here.

You need to hook up with a group which believes like you.

Because you are Lost in Space

Your answers are so disappointing. Not because you don't agree,I already expect the Steve Winter like schtick from you, but because you absolutely refuse to even deal with any semblance of what someone actually says or believes.

I believe in "nothing". I believe that "every Tom, Dick, and Harry are saved". I believe heaven is just a debate forum. I believe Joel Osteen is going to heaven. And about a thousand other things I've not only not said, but never even came close to saying.

I honestly don't know what integrity means to you.

Are your arguments really so poor that you can't accurately state what an opposing view says? Are your beliefs so inconsistent that you simply can not deal with anything of substance? Are you so insecure in your self that you must project a persona on others, so that you can feel good about yourself by never having to face the facts?

Would you be mad at God if someone you don't think deserves to be in heaven is there?

Your constant deflection suggests you would. You are acting like that wicked servant who had a great debt he couldn't pay and was shown amazing Grace and forgiveness by God, only to find someone who seeks the same, and you violently grab them by the throat and demand they appease you and your standard in order to be forgiven.

Will you be mad at God if trinitarians are in heaven? Will you complain because God is good, like those who worked in the heat of the day? Isn't God free to do as He will with what is His?

You are like the religious zealots who brought the woman caught in adultery to Jesus, not caring nothing for the person, only wanting their view of Justice served. The had chapter, book, and verse.

You forget that blessed are the poor (in spirit) who come to God as beggars, realizing we have nothing to offer, nothing to give, nothing to add to God's perfection, and deserving nothing but wrath.

Do you hate grace?

Is the real gospel offensive to you?

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Jason, you believe in nothing,

For the reader. I believe the scriptures are the infallible, inerrant authoritative Word of God. That there is one God who created all things by His Word. That God was manifest in the flesh to redeem His people in the person of Jesus Christ. That Christ was born of a virgin, lived a sinless life, was crucfied and died for our sins, and rose again. That all men are sinners, under the wrath and condemnation of God, but those, and only those, who repent of their sins, trust in Christ and submit to Him as Lord will be saved. I believe those who are justified will seek holiness as God works by His Spirit to conform them into the like image as His Son.

I wholly reject any notion that there is salvation by mental assent. I reject that people who trust in Christ as Savior and Lord will live lives that are a continuous pattern of carnality, sin, and disobedience to the commands of God, His righteousness​, and the several NT passages that tell us people who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God (Rom 1:18-32, 1 Cor 6:9-10, Eph 5:3-6, etc).

I also reject the psudo prosperity gospel and the seeker sensitive philosophy. And stand against false teachers, Christian cults, and any who deny salvation is exclusively through Christ Jesus alone.

Yet, this is "believing nothing" to EB.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Jason B

For the reader. I believe the scriptures are the infallible, inerrant authoritative Word of God. That there is one God who created all things by His Word. That God was manifest in the flesh to redeem His people in the person of Jesus Christ. That Christ was born of a virgin, lived a sinless life, was crucfied and died for our sins, and rose again. That all men are sinners, under the wrath and condemnation of God, but those, and only those, who repent of their sins, trust in Christ and submit to Him as Lord will be saved. I believe those who are justified will seek holiness as God works by His Spirit to conform them into the like image as His Son.

I wholly reject any notion that there is salvation by mental assent. I reject that people who trust in Christ as Savior and Lord will live lives that are a continuous pattern of carnality, sin, and disobedience to the commands of God, His righteousness​, and the several NT passages that tell us people who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God (Rom 1:18-32, 1 Cor 6:9-10, Eph 5:3-6, etc).

I also reject the psudo prosperity gospel and the seeker sensitive philosophy. And stand against false teachers, Christian cults, and any who deny salvation is exclusively through Christ Jesus alone.

Yet, this is "believing nothing" to EB.

He doesn't believe in anything. In a few more years he will add some faces to his totem pole. He stands against those who feels he left behind. He embraces reprobate Baptists like Paul Washer and sends money to their causes. Jason comes to an Apostolic forum to slum, and pontificate when an Apostolic posts something that gets his ecclesiastical PTSD inflamed.

Jason do you have a pastor?

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

He doesn't believe in anything. In a few more years he will add some faces to his totem pole. He stands against those who feels he left behind. He embraces reprobate Baptists like Paul Washer


How does Washer fit the biblical definition of a reprobate?

and sends money to their causes. Jason comes to an Apostolic forum to slum, and pontificate when an Apostolic posts something that gets his ecclesiastical PTSD inflamed.

Jason do you have a pastor?

???

[RachelRose]

https://www.cnn.com/2017/08/29/us/jo...ism/index.html

Reverend Glitter Teeth

[RachelRose]

Originally Posted by Jason B

Your answers are so disappointing. Not because you don't agree,I already expect the Steve Winter like schtick from you, but because you absolutely refuse to even deal with any semblance of what someone actually says or believes.

I believe in "nothing". I believe that "every Tom, Dick, and Harry are saved". I believe heaven is just a debate forum. I believe Joel Osteen is going to heaven. And about a thousand other things I've not only not said, but never even came close to saying.

I honestly don't know what integrity means to you.

Are your arguments really so poor that you can't accurately state what an opposing view says? Are your beliefs so inconsistent that you simply can not deal with anything of substance? Are you so insecure in your self that you must project a persona on others, so that you can feel good about yourself by never having to face the facts?

Would you be mad at God if someone you don't think deserves to be in heaven is there?

Your constant deflection suggests you would. You are acting like that wicked servant who had a great debt he couldn't pay and was shown amazing Grace and forgiveness by God, only to find someone who seeks the same, and you violently grab them by the throat and demand they appease you and your standard in order to be forgiven.

Will you be mad at God if trinitarians are in heaven? Will you complain because God is good, like those who worked in the heat of the day? Isn't God free to do as He will with what is His?

You are like the religious zealots who brought the woman caught in adultery to Jesus, not caring nothing for the person, only wanting their view of Justice served. The had chapter, book, and verse.

You forget that blessed are the poor (in spirit) who come to God as beggars, realizing we have nothing to offer, nothing to give, nothing to add to God's perfection, and deserving nothing but wrath.

Do you hate grace?

Is the real gospel offensive to you?

Joel scares the daylights out of me. I cannot put my finger on it but he scares me.